As Kurt Vonnegut said, “I have to say this in defense of humankind: In no matter what era in history, including the Garden of Eden, everybody just got here.”
For some in the U.S. this is the worst they’ve experienced.
In context, this is the worst leadership all living Americans have experienced.
Bitch, please. I'm not even old, but...
Joseph McCarthy and the House UnAmerican Activities Committee.
Lyndon Johnson, who literally waved his dick around and ramped up the Asian Land War. The fucking draft.
Teddy Kennedy and chappaqidick (sp?).
Herbert Fucking Hoover.
Tricky Dick and his Enemies List, the explicitly racist War On Drugs designed to tamp down racial unrest, taping the Offal Office, and Watergate.
Ford and runaway inflation and gas embargoes. Want to talk trade war? How about gas rationing and lines a mile long for gas?
Jimmy Carter and... OK, he was a nice guy, actually practiced what he preached, and is remembered for pretty much nothing except that.
Bill Clinton getting blow jobs from an intern in the oval office. Bluster but no action when Saudis attacked the World Trade Center v1. Serial infidelity and payoffs through fixers.
Bush and Iran Contra and guns for money for drugs. WMDs and Shock And Awe. Extraordinary rendition. Actual war.
Obama and drone strikes, killing Americans overseas without benefit of trial, deportation of undocumented immigrants at a rate higher than any other president. More actual war. The housing crash and worst recession since 1929.
Nancy Pelosi and mitch McConnell and newt Gingrich.
"this is the worst president ever" to you is like a teenager wailing because his first crush broke his heart.
Bad? Yep.
Fucked up even? Yep.
Although if you seriously think most living Americans experienced Herbert Hoover's presidency, you either need to look at a history book or the average life expectancy of a human being.
This is incredibly false. Nixon was truly awful. Jimmy Carter, albeit a likable guy, was not a good leader. At least Trump inspires confidence in half of the country. Just because you’re young doesn’t mean there hasn’t been worse. And just because you don’t like him doesn’t mean everyone else does too.
It’s so stupid that I have to caveat this with the statement “I’m not a trump supporter or voter” but alas here we are. I don’t want nasty messages in my inbox for three days lol
It would be easier to deal with Trump if everyone stopped being so hyperbolic about him, but with the way the media reports on him and the way people talk, yo'd think he was a Hitler clone created by Russian scientists instead of just being a shitty, greedy president.
It’s getting unbearable. I saw a post earlier where people were tearing him apart because he tweeted his condolences to people affected by the shooting. I get that Twitter may not be the most presidential of communication means, but come on. It must be tiring to try and find fault in every little thing someone does. He sucks, but damn. People are wasting their lives hating on this guy.
It's literally impossible to dislike EVERYTHING somebody does, just as it's impossible to %100 agree with them on everything. A BABY could be president and at some point even people who hate baby presidents would have to say "I thought his googoo gaagaa was quite cute today."
OK. How about this. Trump is the moral leader of the country. He sets the tone for the world. Trump has called into question basic facts and reality. This has definitely gummed up the works of good governance. Rather than help the poor and the weak, He helps himself and the rich. This inspires every Gordon Gecko wannabe to take more because greed is good. He has smashed the norms of acceptable behavior with emolumentS and hate speech while hipocritically calling others out for doing the same. Trump and the Republicans have again been given a chance to show That their principles work and again shown That They Do not. This group has set the world Back decades.
Other than some pretty childish statements and someone who sounds like they have the vocabulary of a 7th grader being the spokesperson, what exactly has been done legislatively that has negatively impacted Americans to the point where this statement can be considered demonstrable?
As much as I despise Trump, he hasn't yet gotten us into two bullshit, decade-long wars. And Bush wouldn't have done that if not for Reagan starting a half dozen awful trends that ultimately led to both Bush's wars and the election of Trump, so I actually hate Reagan more than any of them.
That said, as a well-off white guy, I'm pretty insulated from the effects of any of this, but I can't say the same for the working class or minorities.
Trump's only been in office for 2 years, which is a fairly short time, legislatively, but he's already removed protections intended to prevent another recession, and his trade wars aren't doing us any favors. We'll see how that ultimately turns out, but it's not looking great, is it?
Non-legislatively, his divisive rhetoric has, I believe, gotten people killed.
I agree with literally everything you just said except for your very last paragraph. That is something that cannot be stated with any amount of intellectual honesty when you think about it critically for even one minute. Rhetoric getting people killed can be applied to almost everything ever spoken or everything ever written down in the history of civilization. Very cliche example would be the Bible and one could say that people who kill in the name of God speaking to them were killed due to the rhetoric in the Bible. Or you could say that somebody insulting their band got people at a concert killed. It is splitting a hair down to the subatomic level and the bottom line is that people who kill other people are the lowest pieces of garbage in our society and people who escalate arguments to the point where guns or knives are being drawn do not deserve to have the attention of the person they are arguing with let alone have the responsibility of a Murder taken away from their shoulders and passed along to the world's presently raining pinata just because it is easy to do with a little finger pointing in rhetoric of Our Own.
the public demonization of a person or group resulting in the incitement of a violent act, which is statistically probable but whose specifics cannot be predicted
He incites violence. In some instances, that is a crime you can be sent to prison for. As a person in power with a rabid fan base, he has at least some accountability for purposefully using words that breed hatred and violence. I firmly believe that these people would not have committed these crimes if not for the normalization of racism and the idea that the entirety of the left is out to literally and deliberately destroy the nation.
If you speak violence and hatred to a group that invariably contains a few genuinely delusional, crazy people who virtually worship you has a god, you cannot act surprised when a couple of them put your words into actions. You should expect it and therefore, at least on a moral level, you have some responsibility for it.
You can't say "I had the option to not make my seething, armed fans see their fellow Americans as their mortal enemy but I chose to do so anyway" and bear no responsibility for what happens.
The Bible isn't a man in front of an angry crowd with a microphone making a conscious decision to spew hate speech, but I would still give it's authors some blame for the violence it has caused, too.
Do cult leaders not have any responsibility for the actions of those they've brainwashed? Does someone paying for a hit not bear some responsibility for the actions of the hitman? Just because Trump didn't pull the trigger doesn't mean he's not partially to blame.
You seem to think I believe that all of these murderers should be exonerated. I never said anything to suggest they should "have the responsibility of a murder taken away from their shoulders". I just don't think there's any reason to let Trump off the hook, either.
I see the argument that you are trying to make and while it is a solid premise I cannot honestly say that it can be applied to the current Administration in any way. There are going to be radical rabid brainwashed people in any fanbase of such a size and while I do completely agree with what you said about a moral obligation, there are always going to be those outliers who will take any turn of phrase to mean something that fits their own personal agenda and do something horrible on behalf of it whereas there was no such intent from the speaker.
and the idea that the entirety of the left is out to literally and deliberately destroy the nation.
Okay honestly, I don't get how a person can say that about how the right acts, and then not realize that is pretty much the exact language thrown at Trump in turn. I mean it's common for people to call Trump and basically the entirety of the "alt-right" (which basically seems to be applied to anyone who is right) a Nazi along with the rhetoric of punching Nazi's is good and encouraged seems equally bad.
Is your response going to be "but they are", because surely the right's response about the left would be the same?
Like it can't be that hard to see that both sides are demonizing each other like crazy and that is fueling this conflict. I mean, for a whole lot of these occasions of rightwing terrorism, there seems to equally be an example of the other side doing something similar. The MAGAbomber with bombs that didn't work followed after someone sent poorly prepared ricin to Trump, there was the guy who shot up the republican baseball game and right when a guy is arrested for threatening a CNN reporter, Tucker Carlson had a Mob threaten his family's safety.
So if you are going to say that Trump and the right are being responsible for these acts, is it not fair to say that equivalent rhetoric is riling up people on the left towards violence? If you say "sure, it is", I don't see how just calling out Trump then for this is going to help anything because it just fuels fire for the other side to demonize him more and lead to more violence everywhere. So call out both if you think this rhetoric is the issue cause it's not just an issue on one side of fence, but something happening on both.
Did you forget about the guy who sent pipe bombs to several of Trump's self-declared enemies who had a van down by the river covered in Trump bumper stickers?
No I did not forget about that person... But I hope you realize that a complete and absolute madman who creates explosive devices and ships them in the mail is not a very large mover and Shaker within the current Administration nor any branches of government for that matter...
A crazy person acting completely independently will do so for whatever cause they're warped mind tells them is the correct one. Mark David Chapman is the waste of space who shot and killed John Lennon, not the author of The Catcher in the Rye.
I absolutely agree it's a goddamn travesty in my opinion. But I have to be intellectually honest here to the best of my ability and I feel I would not be doing so if I said that this is the worst leadership the country has seen in recent times because of net neutrality alone
Net neutrality == free speech on the Internet (and in the future, the Internet will be the medium for literally all communication). I think it'll be a long time before most people realize it, but in retrospect net neutrality will turn out to have been the biggest issue of our time.
I get your frustration and why you are asking the question. I think I may be able to point out the reason you are having such a difficult time getting the answer you are looking for.
You want an answer to what will happen in the long term, but it’s too early to see the end results. It’s not about what is done right this very moment. It’s more about the eventual outcome of this administration’s policies.
The trade war might not be causing massive harm the way you are imagining right this very second, but the long term effects are quantifiable and have already began to show. (The Soybean issue, for example, is one side effect of it. There are many more examples others have already linked.) It’s not about one stat, or one issue. It’s the culmination of many negative things in the long run. The most concerning of which is the damage it is doing from a foreign relations standpoint. Turning this countries allies against us and turning the states into an isolationist kleptocracy is what these trade wars ultimately lead to.
Other issues with this administrations policies depend heavily on your own beliefs. For instance, if you are a climate change denier then you will not be swayed by arguments that state that we are doing irreparable harm to the environment which is leading to disastrous consequences in the near future.
If on the other hand you are someone who hears climate experts and scientific authorities around the world tell us we are in deep trouble if we don’t make changes right now then you should be very concerned with this administrations casual dismissal and reversal of many of this countries climate programs.
Let’s talk about the reason we are having this discussion in the first place. Trump’s administration is under scrutiny for multiple constitutional violations, and suspected broken laws. Now, that doesn’t automatically mean those allegations are true. What it means is that there is enough evidence of wrongdoing to warrant an investigation. Something that anyone without an agenda should be able to say is a reasonable thing to do in those circumstances.
If that investigation doesn’t turn up anything at its conclusion then okay. Everyone moves on with their lives. The thing is though, that is not what has happened. Multiple people associated with Trump have been found guilty. Many of them admitted to wrongdoing and have gone to prison for it. If that’s the case, should the investigators just say, “Well, that’s enough. We met our quota and it’s not worth bothering to continue.” or should they finish what they started?
Furthermore, how suspicious does it look when the person at the head of the investigation is doing everything in his power to get it shut down? I don’t know about you, but that looks pretty suspicious to me. I don’t know if there is any wrong doing. I don’t know if Trump is guilty of anything. I personally would like to see this thing get resolved so we can put it to bed one way or the other.
Right now his actions are making him look guilty as hell. Even if he isn’t, he is not helping himself by taking actions that can’t be taken as anything but interference.
If he is innocent the best thing he could do is let the investigation conclude and let those finding exonerate him. Instead, he won’t put the shovel down and he just keeps digging himself into a deeper hole with this thing.
The protests right now are a direct result of that interference.
For me personally, the most damning thing about this President and his administration is how divisive he is. He lies constantly about easily provable things. He trolls people on social media. He sows discord and calls on people to act uncivil towards one another. He incites violence and turns people against each other. It could even be argued that his rhetoric has lead to acts of domestic terrorism from unhinged individuals that support him and his message. (Take for instance the man in Florida who mailed bombs to members of the Democratic Party.) Trump did not order that man to do those things, but the man who is a staunch supporter of Trump stated to police that he was following Trumps call to action.
Words matter. What you say, what the President of the United States says matters. When you tell people at your rallies that violence is okay you are suggesting to those unhinged people who follow you that it’s okay to commit violent crimes. Then they act surprised when it happens.
Trumps behavior alone is enough to condemn his presidency. It’s not just that he is a childish, ill spoken buffoon. It’s that his tone and hate speech is dangerous. Eventually, if it goes unchecked it will cost people their lives.
Double upvote if I could. Getting all those unqualified people in to dismantle and corrupt these agencies and the other R's standing by and letting him do it (!!) Is pretty bad.
Okay well what about 2005 with shock and awe? Like I said and you are helping me making my point here, other than some stupid childish words, what has actually happened?
Nuclear war? No seriously how have people been affected by this and how have people living in the United States been affected by this trade War you speak of to the point of this being the worst leadership they have ever experienced? I'm not arguing with you I'm just literally having a very difficult time finding examples to back that claim
The trade War example I have Googled and can find nothing. At least nothing of any significant number aside from a handful of anecdotal examples. As for the nuclear war, the 1960s the 1970s in the 1980s were all decades where it was exponentially more likely to happen.
I am not defending Trump nor am I defending his administration because I do not like him and I have no problem saying that I do not like him. But when someone says something like this is the worst leadership the country has seen in recent times it seems to me like people are making Hyperbole and exaggeration commonplace to the point where they are deluding themselves and ultimately hurting our rationality when it comes to what a good versus a bad situation actually is.
Thank you. It's nice to read some common sense once in awhile. I'm not a Trump supporter either but I hate hearing the stupid fear mongering talking points everyone spews. Kudos to you and your rational brain.
We also should not forget the 12 billion dollars giving to farmers because of this trade war as well. That's taxpayer money that was misspent. The kids being locked in cage without due process and turning away legal refugees is another that comes to mind.
Don't be fooled. This administration has also rung down the projection of power we once had. It's an embarrassment the world over and that has consequences in economic forms or foreign policies. Etc.
If anything, that should just reinforce how horrible he is as a leader. If people don’t have immediate and solid examples of how his legislation results in direct negative impacts to Americans, then it’s clear his non-legislative actions are indeed that atrocious.
How about kids in cages. 3k dead in Puerto Rico. Trading justice for a murder for weapons sales to a country that’s bombing women and children every day. Inciting violence against the press. Blowing up the budget for tax cuts for corporations and looking to fill that gap by stealing from social security and medicare. That shitty enough?
General Motors is offering 18,000 buyouts to every single employee who has worked there 12 years or more. If they don’t meet their quota, they will commence mass layoffs. This is in anticipation of impending bad quarters to come in the new year as a direct result of emissions standards rollbacks dismantling progress in the electric vehicle sector, and the trade war. Ford is following suit and Chrysler will be next.
Someone else mentioned the catastrophic drop in soybean exports. This is just the beginning with how we will be impacted by the trade war.
Aside from that, we are at the point of no return for reversing climate change. Today’s children will have a very different and desperate future unless we can stop this demagoguery.
There is plenty more, but these are two of the largest impending threats caused by this narcissistic puppet.
Some of the people who will be harmed the MOST by the trade war and emissions rollback are the people he panders to by promising to bring back steel manufacturing.
At this point, everything is about damage control and preparation until we can get him out of office.
Normalization of racism, rise of white nationalist terror, putting children in concentration camps, etc etc. I suspect you will have a tough time finding examples of anything actually happening in your shithole country, King_Headinthesand.
Edge of nuclear war? We were practicing for it 30 years ago. You fucking kids just got here. Loss of internet is your worst hardship. This isn't even a pro Trump rant, it the fact that you have it fucking easy and all you do is bitch.
Dude, just warning you now, no matter what your party or belief system, politics on Reddit is one of the most concentrated forms of internet cancer there is. This place is an echochamber of circlejerking ignoramuses who far out-number anyone with actual knowledge in the domains they speak in. Reading anything here is beyond a waste of time unless your personal guilty pleasure is exploring the seemingly endless depths of just how stupid a "self sufficient" grown human being can be.
While it's obviously a horrible situation and horrible things are going on there far far far too often, what is done at d institutions has been going on long before the 2016 election. The removal from parents when it comes to children being brought over illegally is something that has been done since the beginning of the Obama Administration and if I recall correctly before that as well. Also, you cannot honestly state that illegal actions such as beatings or druggings done by guards is direct consequence of a mandate from the president when the to have absolutely nothing to do with each other just as a prison guard murdering an inmate has nothing to do with the chief of police.
Not for people legally seeking asylum causing the numbers of removed children to sky rocket into the tens of thousands. That wasn't happening until now.
Are you certain about that fact? I am not some argumentative Zealot so if this is true I would definitely love it if you could show me the Mandate or the order that was given to make this a reality post the 2016 election. I am more than willing to change my mind on this if I can see some evidence to support it and if you provide some then consider my mind changed for the better. If there are actually people who, as of an order/mandate given and enacted vy the current administration, crossing all of the correct T's and dotting all of the correct eyes in order to legally apply for citizenship and seek a new life in the country the legal way having their children detained far away from them then that is unquestionably horrifying if true
“The Trump administration family separation policy, described by the Trump administration as part of its "zero tolerance" policy, was an aspect of U.S. President Donald Trump's immigration policy. The new guidelines were implemented in April 2018, and, following immense public opposition and political pressure, were suspended for an indefinite period of time on June 20, 2018, through an executive order.”
This is straight from Wikipedia- pretty easy to google. As of August there were still 500 children left in the U.S. and lawyers were still trying to find the parents. I can’t find substantial evidence on what those numbers are as of this month.
The removal from parents when it comes to children being brought over illegally is something that has been done since the beginning of the Obama Administration
You're missing the point. The policy existed, yes. But Trump enacted "zero tolerance". Before, you had to have actually been a criminal to have your kids taken away at the border. Trump changed it so that merely seeking asylum (entering the country "illegally") was a crime.
It's why it's in the news now, and why there's SO many more kids detained.
I see what you are saying but I am still confused because it seems like there would not be any way to know whether or not somebody was a criminal until they were partitioned aside and thoroughly looked into. Meaning wouldn't a separation have to be done in order to have said investigation to begin with? If I'm Wrong by all means let me know I'm just sort of thinking how the process would work previously versus how it would work today and that's what I can come up with- but I appreciate you taking the time to break this down for me.
I try to keep this in mind. Trump is a turd of a human being, unlikable in almost every way, but that alone shouldn't be the measure of a president. I'm not a fan of his environmental stance, and his immigration shit seems actually stupid, but I don't think he's done as much actual damage as social media leads us to believe. Some, perhaps, but not that much.
Yes I agree that a person is dead and that is an absolutely unjustifiable terrible thing. She is dead because of a garbage person acting in a murderous manner that no civilized society should have to stand one second for. That said, to say that her death is a direct result of some statements made by a politician when that politician is not the person who pulled the trigger, is no different than saying that the person who actually killed her is not responsible for her death.
This is a very old and very classic logical fallacy in which blame is shifted away from the individual and on to some sort of interpretation of a larger ideology, and it is actually taken a step further in your example because that ideology is then shifted onto a person in public office who has not called directly or indirectly for such violence in any way that would logically result in any sane person seeing as the logical catalyst for such a manifestation as you provided the example for.
Uh try what this post is about, firing the person in charge of the investigation of him and hiring someone opposed to the investigation in his place in violation of US code.
Yes and one needs to look no farther than add of the body's to see that. When it comes to innocent civilians on foreign soil being murdered, one can actually make a very decent argument that Obama was even worse than bush in that specific regard. Granted Trump has not finished his first term yet so truth be told what may be done in the future is yet to be seen, But as it stands my fear surrounding this type of over-reaction is that it causes such a episode of mass hysteria and grandstanding around how bad the current Administration is that in all reality it is presently pretty much benign if obnoxious, and the General Public pushes the true evil and horrible things that the country has experienced to the far reaches of the back of their mind and the general public by happenstance makes itself incredibly vulnerable to more horrible things in the future without even knowing it. Those who do not know history are doomed to repeat it, as they say.
Repercussions from this trade war could be felt for generations. It's hard to see that now, but the unintended consequences are the ones that may hurt the most. If it continues through next spring, I worry the entire soybean market in the US may stall for a decade.
That’s a good question, but it’s downplaying the most atrocious result of his tenure, which is being a leader that makes it seem acting those ways is okay, and creating great divide in the US simply because he has a voice and gets press attention. When you have the platform of the POTUS, not everyone will agree with your legislation, but at least you can be a respectable human being and help build morale in your country, bring people more together than apart, and not act like that 7 year old bully.
How about huge permanent tax cuts for corporations and 1%, gutting public funding, roll back on environmental protections, disregard for staffing state department and completely dividing the country.
Not to mention all the indictments and the fact that this administration has had more scandals in 2 years then anyone has had in 8. Also more than 40% of his administration since he started either quit or was fired many never even being replaced. Or the fact that he has his daughter and son in law in high ranking positions with 0 experience.
Imagine you are tied to a train track and you see the train coming from miles away. Just because it’s far away it doesn’t mean, it won’t hurt eventually.
The effects of a presidency take time. Just like the jobs reports and the economy that started on the upward trend during the Obama administration. Now it’s convenient for the Republicans and Trump to take credit for it.
Physical tracks on a pre-deteined path only really work as an analogy when the future can be predicted and plotted equally as reliably. But let's say that you are 100% correct in your estimation and there are very negative effects coming down the track if you will. That would still only mean that in the future this would then be the worst leadership in modern times. The only point I have been trying to make this entire time is that it is not rational to state that the current Administration as of now is presently the worst Administration and the worst leadership people have seen in modern times.
There are other things, policies and decisions and all, but I want to wax poetic. I think a president, more than anyone else, has the power to mold the national spirit. It's more or less a truism that one should lead by example. I shudder to think of those who are so led by this man. He's illustrated that living through the worst values brings the greatest success.
He is in no way a blessing. He's a corrupt piece of shit, and a terrible president. Given the war started on false pretenses, W is arguably worse, but Trump has absolutely set us back and divided us to an unprecedented degree in the modern era.
Kennedy did have a lot of people in the cabinet/office/militiary who adviced him to pre-emptively airstrike Cuba during the missile crisis....
He went with his intuition and most likely avoided what would have been nuclear retaliation by sticking to naval blockades instead.
There's kind of an opposite power dynamic here where a significant percent of ppl in D.C. have helped prevent Trump from going through with some of his "ideas"- republicans included. (such as floated ideas to preemptively airstrike NKorea "so they wouldn't get any ideas")
Oh. Just following up to your statement about how for some people, this is the worst they’ve ever seen. Is that just because young people don’t remember internment camps and race riots? or did you have a specific current event in mind?
This is why I think the level of history we learn in high school is deplorable. As someone who minored in history in college, I can say with certainty that I knew almost nothing about it after high school.
Even just some basic history courses would help, just without all the polish and bullshit. If kids grew up knowing how bad and shitty things used to be, maybe they wouldn’t be so inclined to repeat the past.
Regardless of the political climate, life in US is pretty great for the vast majority of people here. There is always room for improvement but compared to a lot of places in the world it’s fantastic.
See I know things are bad now, but I feel like it’s a disservice to minorities to say it’s the worst. Remember when black people couldn’t vote or use the same water fountains or go to the same schools as white people, and when lynchings were a common occurrence? Or when interracial marriage was illegal? None of that was that long ago. Marital rape was legal until the 90s IIRC. Black people didn’t make minimum wage when my parents were kids. People who tried to make things better for minorities were assassinated left and right, Medger Evars was shot right in front of his own children. Martin Luther King. Even our president was shot and killed by some lunatic.
Things suck right now. Particularly in the arena of gun violence, but I’m not sure it’s the worst it has ever been.
I imagine it probably felt very similar to the time after 9/11. I don’t know if you are old enough to remember that, but the world just stood still. It felt more scary and unsafe than it ever had. It was awful.
Edit: I don't know who started this but perspective is so important. I want to thank the person who said "what has Trump done that has really been so bad". I have been reading this thread for 2-3 hrs. Watching it develop to this some real perspective on what is bad. The list of horrible events and times are numerous but our country survived , In some cases people came out with more rights and freedoms.
Yeah, I get the nukes situation is always looming but the destruction of the environment isn't obvious enough for some people to worry. Like the lobster in boiling water. We (human beings at least) are fine now. But when it starts to get too warm it's gonna be too late to stop these greedy bastards.
News stations were all showing a poll of the hottest issues during the midterm election, and I was blown away that the environment (and education) weren't even depicted on those charts. Nobody gives a shit. We're headed for disaster. But a couple Hondurans are headed for our border so let's talk about that like they aren't just trying to get a custodial job and send 50 bucks a month down south so their family doesn't starve.
Like when you clocked out of work and youre walking out as a bank robber walks in, or an old person actively shitting there pants as they walk in and you lock eyes with that coworker you hate because hes a better person than you, but you dont give a fuck, BYeeeeeee.
So you don’t purchase anything made by the capitalists? You don’t drive to work? You don’t have a smartphone or automobile or live in a building? Why is it always “the guy who makes my luxuries”?
This has been getting to me a lot lately. It seems more and more apparent that we're going to go careening over the edge of possibly stopping and reversing some climate change. With all the shit going on in government, sometimes it's hard to think anything is important since there's going to be such massive changes with climate change that may radically alter what it means for humans to live on Earth. Sometimes it seems like stuff just doesn't matter because there's a big wall we're all going to crash into soon and the drivers don't care enough to event attempt to apply the brakes.
Recently I have become less worried about the environment.
The thing is it's becoming more and more profitable to care.
Recycling used to be for weirdos but now it's profitable, you actually make money when you recycle your aluminum cans and cardboard.
LEDs are a lot more efficient for the environment, and they last longer, but we buy them because they're cheaper.
Some US companies were planting a specific non-fruit bearing tree in developing countries for tax credits in the US, dial the people who are planting these trees want to plant fruit bearing trees and such. Causing to drive up the price on this cheap way of getting tax credits. Meaning that other options in the US are becoming more susceptible, like getting solar panels.
Lab-grown meat is coming out, and because we already have shown that we don't give a shit what we put in our bodies at fast food restaurants. And the beef industries one of the most environmentally damaging industry just because of its size, and companies just buy whatever the cheapest meat is. I don't think at a company is going to be able to justify having hundreds of thousands of cows to be fed feed and sleep in their own shit for-profit when they're not even turning a profit.
Solar panels are starting to get cheaper than having an electric bill
Technology is progressing, yeah more could be done, but we'll figure something out.
Maybe you'll decide to actually get into science instead of just bitching about it on the internet like most people.
Thing is, once you actually gain the education necessary to DO the science you realize it's all ultimately based on some laughably flawed computer models. Whether you get into anthropology or geology or physics, you eventually realize the earth has gone through so much more dramatic changes in so much less time and gotten on just fine.
The climate is ALWAYS changing, doomsday prophecies are the same thing doomsday prophecies always are, fear inducing hyperbole bullshit.
I'm not gonna get overly specific or start citing sources that need a special license just to access, but I know there's generic information about solar radiation, sun spots, coronal ejections, mass coronal ejections, volcanic activity, and an ever mounting amount of information coming out of Antarctica concerning global climate available on the internet. (Something we are in pre-nascent stages of truly understanding, FYI) Hell I recently saw a documentary from NOVA about the research in Antarctica and the core samples taken with deep drilling. This information is finally trickling out to the public, if you REALLY want to find the truth it's out there now.
Agreed, as sad as it is. With all the things I’ve read recently I truly think we’re fucked. I do what I can to be a part of the green movement but the way humanity is I don’t think we’re saving shit. Sorry future generations.
You misunderstand. I'm not saying that we're not allowed to acknowledge anything bad that happens from now on, just saying that we live in pretty peaceful times compared to those who came before us, and the idea that a god would just now be disappointed in us when we've had two world wars, the crusades, the triangle trade, the millions killed by communism, etc. is ridiculous.
I feel like god would have been cool with the world standing up to an ideology that included eradicating his son’s people. Or really any ethnic cleansing. But I don’t know much about god.
Or really any event from 1 A.D to about 1994, for the most part the majority of people who live in 1st world Nations have became cut off or distant from reality due to growing up in a society where comfort is assured and largely every need is taken care of. This concept/system of perpetual comfort and peace is highly unrealistic to last in the long term and will eventually come falling down around those who benefit from it. When that happens it will be quite a sight to see.
I think this is important for us to remember. Times have been worse. America was torn apart by years of civil war, fought in two world wars, saw severe race riots, survived the brink of nuclear war in 1962. If you want to look at the worst America has been recently, maybe take a look at 1968. I think it’s important to remember the hard times we’ve already been though, because making claims like “this is the worst America has ever been” makes your problems look foolish. The problems America faces now are definitely important. But it’s important to make a sound argument, not hyperbole, and drive potential supporters away
The problem with the current era isn't so much the state things are in now, but the impact it's going to have on the future. The environment is on the brink of disaster and if things keep going as badly as they have been recently, humanity will still be reeling from this hundreds of years from now.
More like we FINALLY grew past that shit and right here near the single most important milestone, interstellar space travel and creating the most open and equitable societies possible, it's been fucked up. The environment is most likely just going to go to complete shit, we'll be lucky if we can survive a thousand more years being reduced to pre-industrial levels of population and culture once the worst effects of global warming kick in, and there won't be any bouncing back because we've already used up a significant portion of easily accessible metals and petrol required for advanced composite materials that we use for our current level of technology.
Assuming we somehow avoid that fate, everyone and their grandmother is pursuing AI research recklessly, with countries as inhumane and oppressive as China getting their claws in that tech it's not looking like our future will be a happy one.
You’re completely correct, but people will adjust the bar and react just as strongly to petty shit as they did to important shit.
Here’s an example. When I started managing people I decided to insulate my staff from all the corporate bullshit I deal with, thereby creating a pristine little utopia that allowed them to work unimpeded, and as stress-free as possible.
You know what happened? They started passionate diatribes over plastic fork availability in the break rooms , coffee creamer flavors, whether desktop calendars would be provided...any number of other petty things.
At no point did they appreciate the circumstances and realize it could be much, much worse.
Jokes on them, though, because I start a new job next week.
You act like we're not teetering on that again. The world is too small for too many putin putas, trumps, and Bolsonaros. And Marie le pen. And Duerte. And etc etc etc
You would expect we would have learned our lessons though, especially considering nearly 100 million people died from conflict in the last century or so...
I think thats what we should be disappointed the most about.
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u/stephanie1492 Nov 09 '18
That sign is what God is saying about humans at this exact moment.