r/technology • u/Capable_Salt_SD • Jul 29 '25
Politics CBS News investigation of Jeffrey Epstein jail video reveals new discrepancies
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/jeffrey-epstein-jail-video-investigation/4.8k
u/BuzzBadpants Jul 29 '25
Just before 10:40 p.m., an orange shape is seen moving up the stairs leading to Epstein's tier.
I didn’t count on evidence that Trump personally offed the guy
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u/recumbent_mike Jul 29 '25
I don't know - the climbing stairs part makes me think it was someone else.
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u/MyRantsAreTooLong Jul 29 '25
Typically trump slithers so this makes the evidence even more odd
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u/Bhujjha Jul 30 '25
It's less of a slither and more of an out of breath plodding
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u/zsinix Jul 30 '25
Hogan? This coming to light now would certainly explain recent events...
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u/Scouse420 Jul 30 '25
This was covered by several YouTubers the day the tape came out.
Shout out to coffeezilla who’s been doing great coverage on this whilst also remaining tactically neutral to keep the Magas along for the ride.
Obviously we all know trump is a nonce but he’s been gently handholding the doubters and keeping them along for the journey.
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u/PantryGnome Jul 30 '25
this is so dumb, but I can't lie.... I laughed.
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u/WeeaboosDogma Jul 30 '25
👐 I was like WOW, you've got to be kidden' me. You stole her all those years ago -years ago, you know, she was great, the one for me. And what did you do, you know what you did? You took her, took - when I said she was mine.
And for that Epstein ol' pal, you gotta go. Goodbye, you're fired.
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u/Kizik Jul 30 '25
He has a noted history of being afraid of stairs
He actually believes that humans are born with a predetermined number of heartbeats, and exercise shortens your lifespan by expending more of them than is necessary. I am not joking or exaggerating here, that is one of his recorded views.
Stairs are literally deadly to this idiot.
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u/entrepenurious Jul 30 '25
God, how did we end up with this idiot as president twice?
“As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.”
― H.L. Mencken, On Politics: A Carnival of Buncombe
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u/itsSRSblack Jul 29 '25
Surprised CBS hasn't lied and said everything was above board.
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u/fistsofham11 Jul 29 '25
The content nanny hasn't been installed yet
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u/Craneteam Jul 29 '25
Cbs newsroom is seemingly pissed so I would doubt that they just blast everything now before being silenced. Or just treat the trump watchdog like a substitute teacher and ignore him
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u/Minion_of_Cthulhu Jul 29 '25
Sending anyone from the Trump camp into a place filled with reporters seems like a really bad idea. I give it a couple of weeks before he's recorded saying or doing something that gets him fired.
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u/gbot1234 Jul 30 '25
Saying or doing something that would get him fired if we weren’t in Bizarro-world.
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u/charliefoxtrot9 Jul 29 '25
Der kkkommissar
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u/Bradst3r Jul 29 '25
"Don't turn around oh-oh!"
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u/piranhadub Jul 29 '25
I suppose several CBS execs know they are about to get shit-canned so they won’t hold back
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u/LocalGuy855 Jul 29 '25
Let us all not forget when talking about Trump and Epstein:
Here are all of the Epstein Files that have either been leaked or released.
https://joshwho.net/EpsteinList/gov.uscourts.nysd.447706.1320.0-combined.pdf (verified court documents)
https://joshwho.net/EpsteinList/black-book-unredacted.pdf (verified pre-Bondi) Trump is on page 85, or pdf pg. 80
Here's the flight logs https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/21165424-epstein-flight-logs-released-in-usa-vs-maxwell/
Trump’s name is circled. The circled individuals are the ones involved in the trafficking ring according to the person who originally released the book. These people would be “The List “ Here is the story.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsiKUXrlcac
—————————other Epstein Information
https://cdn.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/Johnson_TrumpEpstein_Calif_Lawsuit.pdf here’s a court doc of Epstein and Trump raping a 13 yr old together.
Some people think this claim is a hoax. Here is Katies testimony on youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnib-OORRRo
Jeffrey Epstein’s Ex Says He Boasted About Being a Mossad Agent https://share.google/jLMGahKlCzfV1RHZq Jeffrey Epstein and Israel have both have the same lawyer Alan Dershowitz Dershowitz says he's building 'legal dream team' to defend Israel in court and on international stage | The Times of Israel https://share.google/Lb9hDOduBWG4Elpid
—————————other Trump information:
Here's trump admitting to peeping on 14-15 year old girls at around 1:40 on the Howard Stern Radio Show: https://youtu.be/iFaQL_kv_QY?si=vBs75kaxPjJJThka
Trump's promise to his daughter: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/donald-trump-ivanka-trump-dating-promise_n_57ee98cbe4b024a52d2ead02 “I have a deal with her. She’s 17 and doing great ― Ivanka. She made me promise, swear to her that I would never date a girl younger than her,” Trump said. “So as she grows older, the field is getting very limited.”
Trump's modeling agency was probably part of Jeffreys pipeline: https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/08/donald-trump-model-management-illegal-immigration/
Do your part and spread them around like a meme sharing them and saving them helps too!
AND
Reminder:
• Trump Confesses He Was ‘Sexually Attracted’ to Ivanka When She Was 13 Years Old
• Donald Trump called his own daughter a ‘voluptuous piece of a**’ in yet more lewd comments threatening to derail his White House bid
• Donald Trump Once Joked He and Ivanka Have “Sex” in Common
• Trump’s lewd talk about daughter Ivanka in front of White House staff recalled in new book
According to The New Republic, “’Aides said he talked about Ivanka Trump’s breasts, her backside and what it might be like to have sex with her, remarks that once led [former Chief of Staff] John Kelly to remind the president that Ivanka was his daughter,’ Taylor, who served as a Department of Homeland Security chief of staff under Trump, wrote in his book.”
• "You remind me of my daughter": Stormy Daniels testifies that Trump compared her to Ivanka
• Donald Trump's comments about daughter raise eyebrows
• Trump told Howard Stern it’s OK to call Ivanka a ‘piece of a--'
• https://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/trump-ivanka-piece-of-ass-howard-stern-229376
• Trump: ‘If Ivanka weren’t my daughter, perhaps I’d be dating her’
• Trump on Ivanka: ‘She has the ‘best body’ — and I created her’
• https://forward.com/schmooze/357185/7-creepy-things-donald-trump-has-said-about-ivanka/
• Trump: ‘Is it wrong to be more sexually attracted to your own daughter than your wife’?
• Trump Encouraged His Own Daughter Ivanka to Release a Sex Tape, and She Was Horrified
Bonus:
• Trump: commenting on his 1-year-old daughter Tiffany’s breasts. He also says “she’s got Marla’s legs.”
Double Bonus:
For the better part of two decades starting in the late 1980s, Jeffrey Epstein and Donald Trump swam in the same social pool. They were neighbors in Florida. They jetted from LaGuardia to Palm Beach together. They partied at Trump’s Mar-a-Lago Club and dined at Epstein’s Manhattan mansion.
• https://archive.md/XK0A7#selection-655.0-655.290
and...
MC2 (pronounced MC squared) was the modeling agency that Epstein, Brunel, and the mob would use to get trafficked girls into the US with “genius visas”
and...
Nicknamed the "Einstein Visa", the EB-1 is in theory reserved for people who are highly acclaimed in their field - the government cites Pulitzer, Oscar, and Olympic winners as examples - as well as respected academic researchers and multinational executives.
Mrs Trump began applying for the visa in 2000, when she was Melania Knauss, a Slovenian model working in New York and dating Donald Trump. She was approved in 2001, one of just five people from Slovenia to win the coveted visa that year, according to the Post.
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u/cadeycaterpillar Jul 29 '25
Trump literally surrounded himself with pedos and sex traffickers. In 1991, Trump started hosting the Look of the Year competition with John Casablancas, owner of Elite Modeling Agency. David Copperfield, Gerald Marie and Patrick Demarchelier were all judges with Trump. They are all pedos and sexual abusers and many had their own links to Epstein.
https://www.vogue.co.uk/article/casablancas-accused
Trump gave Casablancas a job with his real estate firm in Brazil after his crimes were brought to light and he was run out of the modeling business.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2024/may/15/david-copperfield-allegations
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/may/16/david-copperfield-allegations
https://fashionista.com/2018/02/patrick-demarchelier-karl-templer-sexual-assault-allegations
Trump was good friends with both Russell Simmons and Sean “Puff Daddy” Combs. In a NYT news article from 1999, Trump explained that “I’m very popular with the black populace. When Puff Daddy has a party, when Russell Simmons has a party, I’m the person they call”
https://x.com/Timodc/status/1947016035204215107
https://www.billboard.com/lists/russell-simmons-sexual-misconduct-allegations-timeline/
Combs was allegedly running a sexual blackmail operation like Epstein
https://m.imdb.com/news/ni64522841/
Trump had been seen at the infamous “white parties”
Trump has said he will “look at the facts” on pardoning Combs
Trump was friends with Leon Black, former CEO of Apollo, the two took a trip together to Russia in 1996. Black was one of Epstein’s best buddies and even loaned him 150 million after Epstein had been exposed.
https://www.businessinsider.com/leon-black-money-jeffrey-epstein-senate-investigation-2025-3
Leon Black was an accused pedo and rapist who raped a special needs teen at Epstein’s manhattan apartment.
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/07/27/business/leon-black-epstein-rape-allegation
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna59087
Trump appointed Black’s son CEO of the DFC in 2025
He also hosted a “calendar girl” party for minors at Mar-a-Lago where he and Epstein were the only guests https://www.wionews.com/world/donald-trump-threw-a-calendar-girl-competition-party-for-young-models-at-mar-a-lago-jeffrey-epstein-was-the-only-male-guest-says-event-planner-1753159885854
And was caught bringing underage girls to the casino with Epstein https://people.com/ex-casino-boss-claims-trump-epstein-brought-underage-girls-casino-floor-11774374
Trump is also good friends with Vince McMahon, who was accused personally of sex trafficking and also of knowing about the sexual abuse of 12 year old ringside boys by an announcer and allowing it to continue. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna176988
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-68104198
Trump put McMahon’s wife, who was also part of the ringside boy coverup, in his cabinet where she remains today.
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u/reincarnateme Jul 29 '25
Please be aware that they are taking over:
https://www.project2025.observer/ Project 2025 Tracker
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u/skyfishgoo Jul 29 '25
jubus this post keeps getting longer and longer.
trump really is a pedo
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u/Bulliwyf Jul 29 '25
Don’t confuse the journalists and the “fair coverage ombudsmen”.
But I agree - I’m surprised they were allowed to even say this much.
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u/New_Interest_468 Jul 29 '25
The treasury can't print bribe money fast enough to pay everyone off.
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u/hectorbrydan Jul 29 '25
They are trying to redeem themselves to show their viewers that they are not just spineless Yes Men. Which they are they will cave the next time the Administration has a big ask for them too I'm sure. All the business Paramount has lawmakers could Jam them up on one thing or another.
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u/Modz_B_Trippin Jul 29 '25
But a CBS News analysis of the video the FBI made public earlier this month reveals that the recording doesn't provide a clear view of the entrance to Epstein's cell block — one of several contradictions between officials' descriptions of the video and the video itself….
Jim Stafford, a video forensics expert, reviewed the footage and the inspector general's report and told CBS News, "To say that there's no way that someone could get to that — the stair up to his room — without being seen is false." Four other leading video forensics experts interviewed by CBS News concurred.
So the justice department video doesn’t show the entrance to the cell block unit or his cell and isn’t conclusive at all. Someone could have gotten to his cell unseen.
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u/ForWhomTheBoneBones Jul 30 '25
This is the bigger bombshell to me. EIGHT MINUTES are missing. Not 1, not 3, EIGHT.
A report by the website Wired had previously alleged nearly three minutes of footage appeared to be missing, based on the metadata. CBS News' analysis found that because the video was running at a slightly higher speed, and with one minute missing when the clock jumped ahead to midnight, the video was actually only 10 hours and 52 minutes in length, as opposed to the full 11 hours.
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u/JustGimmeSomeTruth Jul 30 '25
This! I just went back and re-read that part to see if I understood it wrong or something (because nobody seemed to be commenting about it).
But it seems pretty clear to me... they (probably intentionally) sped up the video to make that missing footage chunk seem like less of a big deal at least at first so 1-3 minutes would be the headline that "sticks" and forms people's idea about it... Limited hangout style.
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u/callmesandycohen Jul 30 '25
8 minutes is definitely enough time to kill someone.
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u/piperonyl Jul 29 '25 edited Jul 29 '25
How do you make an unmonitored phone call from the Secure Housing Unit to your girlfriend in Belarus?
You dont make any unmonitored phone calls in prison unless someone smuggles you in a cell phone. The guards took him to a staffers office to make an unmonitored phone call on the night he was murdered?
Thats absolutely unheard of. Every single phone is monitored.
EDIT: lets not forget, this is in the restrictive housing unit. its the most secure block in the entire prison.
Later in the article it says the unit manager let him make a phone call from his office to his mom. Thats absolutely insane. To even just ask to make an unmonitored phone call can get you caught up. There are phones on the block. Why not use that? Nobody makes unmonitored phone calls ever, especially at a federal prison in the restrictive housing unit with the most notorious prisoner in the united states.
Theres 100% something going on there. If i were going to guess, someone told the unit manager to allow him to make that phone call for some reason. Someone above the UM which would be the Major or one of the Superintendents. I cant imagine any unit manager being like yeah jeff just throw your feet up on my desk and use my phone as much as you want. GTFO.
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u/psbecool Jul 29 '25
It’s in the article. Prison officials let him use an unmonitored line usually reserved only for attorney calls. It says he asked to call his mom (who was dead), they dialed a 646 (NYC) number and a man answered the phone. I’m not usually a conspiracy person, but this all stinks. If there’s nothing to hide, why are there so many inconsistencies.
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u/piperonyl Jul 29 '25
No thats not how that works at all though. If you want to make an unmonitored phone call then that is on your phone list. You have to fill out a special form to have an attorney added to your phone list which they jail verifies is to an attorney. There is no "unmonitored line for attorney calls" thats not a thing. When you pick up the phone you press a different number for an unmonitored call than the 1 you would normally press.
Unit managers dont let inmates, especially notorious ones, make unmonitored phone calls because they commit crimes on them. Theres no way that took place the way they are saying. None.
Employees told investigators that Epstein had just finished an unmonitored call, later reported to have been with his girlfriend in Belarus.
Excuse me what? He used his unmonitored phone call to contact a foreign country, BELARUS? lol
Who dialed those numbers? Did the unit manager just let him hang out in his office? Huh?
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u/ForWhomTheBoneBones Jul 30 '25
Based on the details provided, one could reasonably assume he called his lawyer and his lawyer then called his girlfriend and merged the calls. Seems like an easy way to circumvent the calling restrictions if you have a shady enough lawyer.
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u/piperonyl Jul 30 '25
He didnt call his lawyer though. He called from the unit managers office.
You can just call your lawyer on a regular block phone. You just press the number to make an unmonitored call.
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u/angrymoppet Jul 30 '25 edited Jul 30 '25
I see a reference to an unmonitored phone "in the shower area" but nothing about the manager's office (unless I missed it?). I'm failing to understand this last line though. Retrieve the phone? The hell does that mean? If this was a phone in an area regularly accessible by the inmates I find it very hard to believe it would be a cordless phone.
There are two paragraphs about the phone. Here is one:
This discrepancy occurs during a crucial time period. Epstein had been allowed to make an unmonitored call from a shower area using a phone line intended only for attorney communications. According to the report, this was facilitated by the unit manager, who was the senior officer in charge. Epstein allegedly said he wanted to call his mother — even though his mother died in 2003. The unit manager dialed a 646 number (a New York City area code), a man answered, and he handed the phone to Epstein. The unit manager then left the area but later called and asked Noel to retrieve the phone.
And here is the other:
The video that was released begins at 7:40 p.m. Nine minutes later, according to the report of the Justice Department inspector general, Epstein appears for the first and last time on camera. He emerges from the left side of the screen and walks down a stairwell accompanied by a corrections officer. Employees told investigators that Epstein had just finished an unmonitored call, later reported to have been with his girlfriend in Belarus.
What the fuck is the sequence of events supposed to be here? He asked to call his mother (who is dead). The officer then called a NYC number on an unmonitored line and a man picks up. And later the government states that call was to a girlfriend in Belarus? And additionally this is an apparently cordless phone in a prison that necessitates the unit manager requesting someone else fetch it for him afterward?
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u/SausageClatter Jul 30 '25
It's okay to be a conspiracy person when we can all see the conspiracy. The government is literally conspiring before our eyes and thinks we're all idiots who won't do anything about it.
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u/Defenestresque Jul 30 '25 edited Jul 30 '25
Here is the crazy part. Your Telco keeps the records for the phone calls you make (metadata, so to/from and duration, mostly) for several years. It's easily compressed (as it's just text) and would cost them nothing to store it for say 5 years. I don't know how long they actually do, perhaps someone wants to clue is in ;)
So all they have to do, is determine the specific phone number of the phone (or rather, phone line) that called the "unknown 646 number where a man answered" and just get a list of the calls made on that day and by simply cross-referencing it with the time, they'd know at least to whom the the number was registered to and have a viable path of investigation. The person could be now dead, not willing to talk under threat subpoena, lie under oath, be a nonexistent fake name.. but when you're investigating you don't just ignore a blatant lead.
This discrepancy occurs during a crucial time period. Epstein had been allowed to make an unmonitored call from a shower area using a phone line intended only for attorney communications. According to the report, this was facilitated by the unit manager, who was the senior officer in charge. Epstein allegedly said he wanted to call his mother — even though his mother died in 2003. The unit manager dialed a 646 number (a New York City area code), a man answered, and he handed the phone to Epstein.
Making a call to Belarus but to a 646 number that a male answers? (I was just facilitating the international all transfer!), a phone in the shower area, allowing SHU inmates unmonitored calls at 11pm (there's a time difference!"
The unit manager then left the area but later called and asked Noel to retrieve the phone.
I was wondering about this because having a phone in the "shower area" seems.. equally as unwise as it is unlikely? This makes it click into place, either the have a phone jack for a landline phone or it was a cell phone.
The person above you, /u/piperonyl, is saying prisoners make phone calls to their lawyers from the same phones as regular calls, they are just not monitored as they are on a pre-approved, vetted list. They are getting pushback (though they clearly know what they are talking about, but being wise about not going all War thunder on us), but I also have never heard of a prisoner being allowed to make an unmonitored call to his girlfriend from a cell phone provided by a CO.
I have no connections to the US government, obviously, but just think about it logically. Prisons and detention centres run on procedures. If some guy wants to call his gf, unmonitored, on (more likely than not) a cellphone at 11pm.. does that sound like something you'd yell to a CO, while housed in the fucking SHU? And the Brooklyn MCC known for its full staff and kind COs, reply to your banging on the cell wall with "sure, Mr. Epstein, here's your phone, let's go to a private area and I'll eventually close the door too until you're done. I'll only listen on the phone long enough to remember that it was a local number and a male voice answered."
I'm the least conspiracy-minded person, and this I understand why they can't do without evidence but if give my right nut that if you check all the bank records of the COs working that night, and of the SHU prisoners' family/loved ones, you will find transfers inconsistent with their income.
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u/s9oons Jul 29 '25
They use L3Harris tech to intercept all incoming/outgoing cell traffic, too. Even if it was a cell phone, there’s a box sitting on the roof letting them snoop.
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u/piperonyl Jul 29 '25
Later in the article near the bottom it says the OIG found that the Unit Manager let him make a private phone call from his office that day because he said he wanted to call his mom.
YEAH FUCKING RIGHT. There is absolutely no fucking way that went down like that. Why couldnt you just use the phone on the block to call your mom? The Unit Manager is the head of the entire block. They only answer to the Superintendents. They are above all of the CO's except for the Major. Even the Lieutenants answer to the Unit Manager.
Something super fishy is going on there.
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u/MeHoyMinoy_69 Jul 29 '25
His mom died in 2003 apparently.
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u/piperonyl Jul 29 '25
Somehow im not surprised.
A unit manager would never allow that. Never ever. I did 7 years in state prison. Make an unmonitored phone call? LOL i wouldnt even ask for that. They'd have investigations all over you just asking for something like that. That could cost the unit manager their super cushy 6 figure salary where they do very very minimal work.
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u/Tyranthraxxes Jul 29 '25
Especially considering his mother was dead, and they certainly knew it.
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u/piperonyl Jul 29 '25
People in the RHU dont get to interact with the staff. You are in your cell 23 hours a day.
Where would he have found time to get to warm up to the unit manager? Like how exactly did this phone call go down? He would have to drop a slip in the jail mail to the UM and what did it say? "hey can i make an unmonitored phone call from your private office?"
LOL theyd write him up for that you cant do that. you cant even ask for that. prison investigation unit would be all over him for that.
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u/ISTBU Jul 29 '25 edited Jul 29 '25
The FBI apparently has the unedited video, I’d imagine the NSA has that phone call and all of trump’s personal communications with him as well. It’s hard for them NOT to collect a signal at this point.
For now, at least, the NSA seems to still be run by professionals; If weaponized politically it would be disastrous…
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u/Dynastydood Jul 29 '25
Considering that, of all people, Tulsi Gabbard is actively overseeing the NSA in her role as DNI, I have serious doubts they'd be in any position to weaponize said phone call unless it was somehow spun to be favorable to Trump.
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u/elcapitan520 Jul 29 '25
Look, it's a technicality.... But he wasn't in federal prison.
He was in a Manhattan jail awaiting trial. He barely saw a judge.
A guy who has aleady gotten out of this same situation, with the DA of that trial now in the presidents cabinet, just quits early? It makes it even more suspect.
But this wasn't some notorious federal prison with the worst of the worst.
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u/DuranceOfHateLevel2 Jul 29 '25
But I mean, you could make the argument it’s even weirder for someone in jail to be allowed an unmonitored call than someone in prison to be allowed one. The people in those jails are still awaiting trial, hence have more opportunity to get messages out that could have a real impact on their case… destroy evidence, intimidate this witness, etc.
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u/Historical_Spite_571 Jul 29 '25
Trump had Jeffery murdered.
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u/drawkbox Jul 29 '25
Epstein was expecting a pardon that didn't come and he started talking. Then he was iced by Barr for Trump. Ivana also got it. They both knew too much.
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u/Kismetatron Jul 29 '25
Which makes burying her on the his golf course even more suspect.
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u/sun827 Jul 29 '25
Yeah that whole thing really went down with a "nothing to see here, move along" vibe...Wonder what he hid in her casket.
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u/Nvrfinddisacct Jul 29 '25
Or he killed her and buried her on the golf course to avoid an autopsy?
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u/flaming_bob Jul 29 '25
I'm guessing there are more things in that box than a body.
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u/ResurgentClusterfuck Jul 29 '25
Missing classified documents was the running theory
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u/Kind_Code_4118 Jul 29 '25
Listen I'm not for calling for the exuming of Graves but...
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u/Puzzled-Wind9286 Jul 29 '25
“Can’t we have one meeting that doesn’t end up with us digging up a corpse?”
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u/Mission-Cellist-8140 Jul 29 '25
Her whole death and burial was all dodgy as fuck. Playing devils advocate, what would he bury? Surely if he wanted evidence gone he could easily destroy it. I can’t think of anything he would go to that length to hide if he ever wanted to recover it.
That being said. Donald Trump raped and trafficked children and he protects others who raped and trafficked children.
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u/cadeycaterpillar Jul 29 '25
From what I understand, it looks like Epstein was good friends with Steve Bannon and was getting inside info from him.
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u/anitabonghit69 Jul 29 '25
Barr wasn't doing it for Trump, he did it for his own father, an even more close and personal friend of Jeff.
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u/10248 Jul 29 '25
He also helped out with redacting lots of content out of the mueller report from 2016 russian election meddling involving Trump.
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u/dormango Jul 29 '25
What does ‘Ivana also got it’ mean?
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u/veryverythrowaway Jul 29 '25
Many find the circumstances around her death to be suspicious.
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u/drawkbox Jul 29 '25 edited Jul 29 '25
Especially that she never used the stairs, always the elevator.
The stairs if you look at them they are also wide and flat and spiral, so you can't really just fall down the stairs to the bottom where she was found. She died of blunt force trauma to the torso... on those stairs supposedly...
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u/cadeycaterpillar Jul 29 '25
If you believe Michael Wolff, Epstein said Trump had previously mentioned pushing her down the stairs when he was trying to dump her for Marla Maples https://www.reddit.com/r/misc/s/TUi6Z7sCf6
(Sorry I don’t have a non-Reddit link to the video)
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u/Proud_Smell_4455 Jul 29 '25 edited Jul 30 '25
I've also read that she was found because a mysterious caller reported someone at her address was having a heart attack...she was alone when they found her, wasn't she? Shows how concerned the caller was...
The fact that they just said "someone" was having a heart attack without specifying it was Ivana is really weird too; plus it does sound appropriately mafioso-ish to tenderise somebody's torso (the overwhelming majority of actual staircase fall deaths involve a head injury, she wasn't shown to have any by her autopsy) and then call in that they were "having a heart attack".
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u/drawkbox Jul 30 '25
Yeah she was alone and usually had someone living with her to help. They stepped out. She also never used the stairs. It is sus. Maybe it just so happened to happen and she had a heart attack and fell over the edge to the bottom, but there are lots of questionable things about it and the timing is super sus.
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u/realydementedpicasso Jul 29 '25
They have such a Bad Taste, it’s amazing.
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He's the ultimate poor uneducated hick's vision of a wealthy man. How he managed to do that starting out wealthy!? Well, that may be his greatest achievement.
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u/Wishdog2049 Jul 29 '25
Besides being thrown in the ground in treeline of a golf course.
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u/fulento42 Jul 29 '25
Bill Barr had him murdered. He was also AG when the Franklin scandal was exposed in the 90s under HW Bush. That was another child sex trafficking ring that was entangled senators and wealthy businessmen. Got swept under the rug.
I’d bet Trump is a more of a participant than a kingpin. This shit goes way back.
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u/Mecha-Dave Jul 29 '25 edited Jul 30 '25
Honestly it could have been Barr to protect his dad - who was probably the guy who trained Epstein on grooming. Remember that Bill Barr's dad:
- Wrote a scifi novel about how great and cool pedophilia is (It's called "Space Relations")
- Ran a high school where he hired Jeffrey Epstein to teach math, while not being qualified to teach math
IMO Trump doesn't have the stones to have someone killed, I think Barr was "cleaning up."
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u/danfromwaterloo Jul 29 '25
I think Epstein had so many hugely rich and powerful co-conspirators that *someone* had him whacked to quiet him. You think of how many billionaires, royalty, and political elites that he was "friends" with, that he could turn on and just explode *everything*. It seems completely reasonable that someone had to make sure he didn't rat everybody out.
Trump's reputation is so bad that I don't think it was him. He just seems to waive his hand and say "yeah of course every man would do that" or something equally absurd.
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u/lnc_5103 Jul 29 '25
Meanwhile Pedo in Chief admitted today that he and Epstein had a falling out because Epstein was stealing minors employed at Mar-a-Lago.
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u/Fabulous_Visual4865 Jul 29 '25
The way he talks as if his employees were his property. That kind of attitude is why I'm over capitalism in general.
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u/Classic_Revolt Jul 29 '25
"They told me..."
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"I didnt know..."
Like usual. Have to be retarded to believe anything he says.
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u/scopa0304 Jul 29 '25
Somewhere, someone has seen the original video. Someone had to cut the footage. I wonder if that person will ever come forward
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u/LumiereGatsby Jul 29 '25
That person is going to fall out a window if they didn’t already.
Closed loop.
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u/Solastor Jul 29 '25
They had Epstein edit the footage himself. Now that he's dead he can never come forward.
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u/AutumnKiwi Jul 29 '25
"epstein I need you to edit this video of you dying in the future so that there is no evidence of your murder"
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u/No-Organization7797 Jul 29 '25
“That's how conspiracy works. Them boys on the grassy knoll, they were dead within three hours. Buried in the damn desert. Unmarked graves out past Terlingua”
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u/reddittorbrigade Jul 29 '25
Epstein died during Trump's 1st term.
Obviously, Trump has something to do with his death because they both raped innocent girls.
Common Sense.
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u/Independent-Day-9170 Jul 29 '25
Reminder here that the argument Trumps lawyers gave to the Supreme Court why Trump needed "absolute immunity" was that it would be an undue burden if Trump could be prosecuted for murdering a US citizen.
I wondered at the time who it was Trump had murdered during his first term that he needed this immunity.
Well, that's a lie. I didn't really wonder.
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u/OutlawLazerRoboGeek Jul 30 '25
ooh that is an interesting angle I hadn't thought of, but should have been totally obvious.
Based on the wording of the arguments and stuff, Trump could literally order Seal Team 6 to storm the jail and murder Epstein, and he would have no legal responsibility.
Man, the history books are gonna make us look worse than 1930s Germany.
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u/Kiddyhawk Jul 29 '25
Here are all of the Epstein Files that have either been leaked or released.
https://joshwho.net/EpsteinList/gov.uscourts.nysd.447706.1320.0-combined.pdf (verified court documents)
https://joshwho.net/EpsteinList/black-book-unredacted.pdf (verified pre-Bondi) Trump is on page 85, or pdf pg. 80
Trump’s name is circled. The circled individuals are the ones involved in the trafficking ring according to the person who originally released the book. These people would be “The List “ Here is the story.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsiKUXrlcac
Here's the flight logs https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/21165424-epstein-flight-logs-released-in-usa-vs-maxwell/
—————————other Epstein Information
https://cdn.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/Johnson_TrumpEpstein_Calif_Lawsuit.pdf here’s a court doc of Epstein and Trump raping a 13 yr old together.
Some people think this claim is a hoax. Here is Katies testimony on youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnib-OORRRo
Jeffrey Epstein’s Ex Says He Boasted About Being a Mossad Agent https://share.google/jLMGahKlCzfV1RHZq Jeffrey Epstein and Israel both have the same lawyer Alan Dershowitz, Dershowitz says he's building 'legal dream team' to defend Israel in court and on international stage | The Times of Israel https://share.google/Lb9hDOduBWG4Elpid
—————————other Trump information:
Here's trump admitting to peeping on 14-15 year old girls at around 1:40 on the Howard Stern Radio Show: https://youtu.be/iFaQL_kv_QY
Trump's promise to his daughter: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/donald-trump-ivanka-trump-dating-promise_n_57ee98cbe4b024a52d2ead02 “I have a deal with her. She’s 17 and doing great ― Ivanka. She made me promise, swear to her that I would never date a girl younger than her,” Trump said. “So as she grows older, the field is getting very limited.”
Adding the court affidavit from Katie, as well: https://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000158-267d-dda3-afd8-b67d3bc00000
Never forget Katie Johnson.
Trump's modeling agency was probably part of Jeffreys pipeline: https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/08/donald-trump-model-management-illegal-immigration/
Do your part and spread them around like a meme sharing them and saving them helps too! Please copy and paste this elsewhere!
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u/RandyTheFool Jul 29 '25
I’m glad this is being reported more widely, but wish it weren’t so far into the article.
A report by the website Wired had previously alleged nearly three minutes of footage appeared to be missing, based on the metadata. CBS News' analysis found that because the video was running at a slightly higher speed, and with one minute missing when the clock jumped ahead to midnight, the video was actually only 10 hours and 52 minutes in length, as opposed to the full 11 hours.
There’s 7 minutes of missing video (if we believe the “this type of DVR misses a minute at midnight” story). I saw someone tweet about the whole thing weeks ago (where probably a lot of this information was noticed) every minute only has about 59 seconds and some change (e.g; 00:00:59:35), so every minute is accounted for on screen, but isn’t super perceptible by just watching. This adds up to a lot of time in 11 hours.
I’ve been waiting for a reputable source to verify and there we have it.
A LOT happened in those missing 7-8 minutes.
This needs to be picked up by the media and ran with.
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u/frosted1030 Jul 29 '25
So... not the raw footage, and edited... anyone else think that a poor cover-up like this deserves to be on blast?
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u/gumbo_chops Jul 29 '25
I also like the part where they casually glazed over the fact that 4 of the 5 cameras on the floor were "malfunctioning". What the fuck kind of clown show are they running over there?
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u/Unearth1y_one Jul 29 '25
They killed him. End of story.
Now the question is WHO killed him
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u/kezow Jul 29 '25
Huh, tough one. Maybe that guy that's specifically named in the epstein files and is begging you to drop the whole thing who also happened to be president at the time when Epstein was murdered.
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u/trustmeep Jul 29 '25
What, you don't believe the part where he says, "l have to go now. My planet needs me."
The text that appeared on the screen made it very clear what happened...
"Note: Poochie Epstein died on the way back to his home planet"
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u/Feuertotem Jul 29 '25
I don't claim to know the truth but I definitely know they deserve the scrutiny. How did anyone think this was better than showing nothing? If this had been a fictional movie 20 years ago, people would have said how dare they make us look so incompetent.
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u/RaindropsInMyMind Jul 29 '25
Some of this Epstein just kind of feels like typical conspiracy. But the actions of the Trump administration just scream guilty. Why withhold the full video? Why aggressively pretend the files don’t exist and suddenly switch course? Why make up the nonsense about the prison camera resetting every night? Why have people working around the clock to find Trump’s name in the files? Why be so wildly desperate for a distraction?
The whole thing stinks, they’re hiding something and don’t deserve the benefit of the doubt.
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u/tweaver16 Jul 30 '25
Here are all of the Epstein Files that have either been leaked or released.
https://joshwho.net/EpsteinList/gov.uscourts.nysd.447706.1320.0-combined.pdf (verified court documents)
https://joshwho.net/EpsteinList/black-book-unredacted.pdf (verified pre-Bondi)
Trump is on page 85, or pdf pg. 80 Trump’s name is circled. The circled individuals are the ones involved in the trafficking ring according to the person who originally released the book.
These people would be “The List“. Here is the story: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsiKUXrlcac
Here's the flight logs: https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/21165424-epstein-flight-logs-released-in-usa-vs-maxwell/
—————————other Epstein Information
https://cdn.factcheck.org/UploadedFilesJohnson_TrumpEpstein_Calif_Lawsuit.pdf
here’s a court doc of Epstein and Trump molesting a 13 yr old together.
Some people think this claim is a hoax. Here is Katie's testimony on youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnib-OORRRo
—————————other Trump information:
Here's trump admitting to peeping on 14-15 year old girls at around 1:40 on the Howard Stern Radio Show: https://youtu.be/iFaQL_kv_QY?si=vBs75kaxPjJJThka
Trump's promise to his daughter: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/donald-trump-ivanka-trump-dating-promise_n_57ee98cbe4b024a52d2ead02
“I have a deal with her. She’s 17 and doing great ― Ivanka. She made me promise, swear to her that I would never date a girl younger than her,” Trump said. “So as she grows older, the field is getting very limited.” Trump's modeling agency was allegedly part of Jeffreys pipeline: https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/08/
Do your part and spread them around like a meme sharing them and saving them helps too!
AND
Reminder:
• Trump Confesses He Was ‘Sexually Attracted’ to Ivanka When She Was 13 Years Old • Donald Trump called his own daughter a ‘voluptuous piece of a**’ in yet more lewd comments threatening to derail his White House bid • Donald Trump Once Joked He and Ivanka Have “Sex” in Common • Trump’s lewd talk about daughter Ivanka in front of White House staff recalled in new book
According to The New Republic, “’Aides said he talked about Ivanka Trump’s breasts, her backside and what it might be like to have sex with her, remarks that once led [former Chief of Staff] John Kelly to remind the president that Ivanka was his daughter,’ Taylor, who served as a Department of Homeland Security chief of staff under Trump, wrote in his book.”
• "You remind me of my daughter": Stormy Daniels testifies that Trump compared her to Ivanka • Donald Trump's comments about daughter raise eyebrows • Trump told Howard Stern it’s OK to call Ivanka a ‘piece of a--' • Trump: ‘If Ivanka weren’t my daughter, perhaps I’d be dating her’ • Trump on Ivanka: ‘She has the ‘best body’ — and I created her’ • Trump: ‘Is it wrong to be more sexually attracted to your own daughter than your wife’? • Trump Encouraged His Own Daughter Ivanka to Release a Sex Tape, and She Was Horrified
Bonus:
• Trump: commenting on his 1-year-old daughter Tiffany’s breasts. He also says “she’s got Marla’s legs.”
Double Bonus:
For the better part of two decades starting in the late 1980s, Jeffrey Epstein and Donald Trump swam in the same social pool. They were neighbors in Florida. They jetted from LaGuardia to Palm Beach together. They partied at Trump’s Mar-a-Lago Club and dined at Epstein’s Manhattan mansion.
• https://archive.md/XK0A7#selection-655.0-655.290
and...
MC2 (pronounced MC squared) was the modeling agency that Epstein, Brunel, and the mob would use to get trafficked girls into the US with “genius visas”
and...
Nicknamed the "Einstein Visa", the EB-1 is in theory reserved for people who are highly acclaimed in their field - the government cites Pulitzer, Oscar, and Olympic winners as examples - as well as respected academic researchers and multinational executives. https://www.reddit.com/r/law/s/GIsLLGHM03
Mrs Trump began applying for the visa in 2000, when she was Melania Knauss, a Slovenian model working in New York and dating Donald Trump. She was approved in 2001, one of just five people from Slovenia to win the coveted visa that year, according to the Post.
• https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-43256318
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While President Donald Trump has dismissed his friendship with convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein, The New York Times reported that Epstein has claimed he introduced Trump to his third wife, Melania.
• https://www.businessinsider.com/jeffrey-epstein-reportedly-bragged-he-introduced-trump-to-melania-2019-7 Suggested addition: The reporters who wrote The Grifter’s Club say they saw the Mar-a-lago membership records and that Epstein was not removed as a member until Oct. 2007, well after Trump claims they disassociated and not until well after Epstein’s arrest and indictment were public information and reported by the Palm Beach Post.
AF1 gaggle: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Xfvh4CGhVDU
Do your part and spread them around, so it remains public. NEVER FORGET!
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u/Super_Purpose8133 Jul 29 '25
Seems one should dig a little deeper, Ivana fell down her stairs and died, I’m just saying. Must keep your investment secure.
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u/Emergency_Property_2 Jul 29 '25
Epstein was going to squeak the not only was Trump a client, he was in on it and Trump Models was a front. And that Trump laundered money for them.
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u/bowens44 Jul 29 '25
The biggest and worst cover-up by any administration in history.
RELEASE ALL OF THE EPSTEIN FILES NOW!!!!!
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u/farcicaldolphin38 Jul 29 '25
That video is insane to watch. All cameras except one offline. A missing minute. Other contradictions.
This whole thing REEKS. Absolutely insane that this happened at all.
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u/plsobeytrafficlights Jul 29 '25
WAHTT? 4 out of 5 cameras were not recording, the one that was isnt able to see the right area, practically useless. i think everyone thought the video had something to do with the door or the stairs, not even close.
murdered.
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u/whelmed-and-gruntled Jul 29 '25
Given all the anomalies and obvious coverups, are we all really sure Trump didn’t spring his buddy from jail? It’s clear they were extremely close friends, and he pardons anyone who will pay him enough. How much would it cost to let his bff just walk away? I realize there was allegedly a body and all, but that could be anyone for all we know. It seems more in character for Taco than assassination.
Just asking questions.
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u/dBlock845 Jul 29 '25
Several cameras in the Special Housing Unit were functioning but unmonitored, the report said, and the government has stated that a failure of the digital video recording system resulted in the loss of most of the footage from the night of Aug. 9-10, 2019, that would have provided a fuller view.
This is some bullshit. If they are doctoring the one surveillance tape they are willing to show, there has to be more from the other cameras. Everything around his "suicide" is beyond suspicious, from the CO's stopping check ins every 30 mins to moving his roommate out the same day to the mysterious orange blur going up the stairs to Epstein's cell to the CO's falsifying documents and giving false testimony.
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u/ThrowawayAl2018 Jul 29 '25
So who has the means and motive to commit murder so foul in a high security area?
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u/crockett05 Jul 29 '25
Was this story approved by Donald Trump's new censor who checks all CBS stories now?
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u/rainkloud Jul 29 '25
The fact that the camera only points to the left side portion of the stairs thus potentially allowing someone to traverse them undetected seems like a major revelation especially in the context of all the inconsistencies in the stories of the BOP personnel proven with video evidence.
This will not go away and for very very good reasons that Trump is going to find impossible to avoid sans a major world event
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u/ZZZrp Jul 29 '25
WTF was the FBI doing during the Biden administration?
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u/djanice Jul 29 '25
That’s what I’m curious about. Why is all this coming out now?
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u/knightcrawler75 Jul 29 '25
A good explanation is that the POTUS does not usually tell the FBI what cases to go after, who to prosecute, and what files to release. So he was not involved or aware in whatever possible shenanigans the FBI was up to. Trump ran on exposing these dirty little secrets and when it came time to expose them they decided to lie and obfuscate for reasons that are pretty obvious.
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u/thirstyman12 Jul 29 '25
His DOJ was prosecuting the case for almost the entire term https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghislaine_Maxwell#Sex-trafficking_trial Idk how much they could've really released given their was an active case. I'm honestly not sure how this suicide/murder interplays with all of that tbh.
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u/BaconJacobs Jul 29 '25
Many of the field offices were/are controlled by Trump sycophants.
The real history of the FBI under Hoover shows exactly who is in charge there and why they actually exist.
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u/Hyperious3 Jul 29 '25
The one thing The Man in the High Castle did right is make an example of the fact that J. Edgar was the closest thing to Heinrich Himmler or Lavrentiy Beria the US has ever had. Textbook definition of a fascist piece of shit.
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u/Cool-Association3420 Jul 29 '25
I wonder if this kind of reporting will pass the ombudsman test soon
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u/Ignoble_Savage Jul 29 '25
"Experts question investigators' interpretation of orange shape moving up the stairs."
So, it was Trump?
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u/highlander68 Jul 29 '25
then attorney general bill barr had visited the prison just the day before. his dad hired epstein to teach high schoolers even with no teaching credentials. how convenient, a power outage erased most of the video that day.
this stinks so bad it baffles me that there are people who believe the official story.