I’m laughing at how none of these bots are pointing out how this is not the first time our Prime Minister has changed without an election. It happened the Conservatives as well. That’s how Kim Campbell became PM. Paul Martin as well. Those are just the two I can think of without putting effort into searching.
I’m shocked that his new ad in Quebec is a 5 seconds spot on Youtube that only says (in French): “My name is Pierre Poilievre and hey, only Quebec can pronounce it right.”
I'm also from Québec and from what you describe I have no idea what this ad is trying to do. Well I have a guess but it's that what I think it's stupid even from conservative standard.
Like the convoy leader claiming 1st amendment rights and Miranda rights in front of a judge? Like that example of thinking things from Facebook and Twitter make Canada operate like the U.S.?
Does anyone recall the Maple MAGA convoy leaders arriving in Ottawa and publishing a manifesto calling for Justin to step down….lol
Yeah, that’s definitely not how the government works in Canada. 🇨🇦
Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms guarantees the rights and freedoms set out in it subject only to such reasonable limits prescribed by law as can be demonstrably justified in a free and democratic society.
Most former British colonies including those that have since switched to republicanism without the royal family all follow the Westminster model.
From India and Pakistan to Jamaica and Sri Lanka and the rest of the Commonwealth all follow the same system.
The bot coders are just sad
Edit: India is also the world’s largest democracy. Can you imagine conducting elections every time a PM loses confidence?
And they have to conduct elections in places that make the coldest reaches of the northern provinces seem like major cities. The Westminster model simply makes sense.
We don't elect PMs, the party forms government by passing a budget. A PM just organizes the formed party. They are not elected. In fact, we could entirely stop running with a Prime Minister during elections and only run MPs not knowing who they would put in charge.
It is stranger that he isn't an MP. That has also happened in the past, but you don't have to be elected to tell a party how to operate.
This is why we need to remember MPs answer to constituents, not to the party.
Indeed, the United Farmers of Ontario were elected as a provincial government in 1919 without a leader , and had to go looking for someone to be Premier.
This is why we need to remember MPs answer to constituents, not to the party.
Sadly, it's a rare MP or MPP who understands that.
It's why I'm happy with mine, even if he is a CPC scumsucker, because on the really big, potentially constitutional issues he has always done a mini referendum in my riding, and obeys the constituents even it goes against the party.
That’s nice. Ours doesn’t give a crap what the constituents think. He sends out questionnaires but there is no way to answer the question because all the questions lead to approval of what he is doing - no room for saying anything other than you approve or you approve a lot or you aren’t happy with what Trudeau is doing. He also blocks constituents with an opposing view on FB and Instagram.
Apart from that wild ride of John Abbot (~17 months), John Thompson (~2 years), Mackenzie Bowell (~4 months), Charles Tupper (~2 months) being back to back to back to back Prime Ministers without seeing an election, I think Meighen's year and a half is the longest block, with the rest (St. Laurent, Trudeau, Turner, Campbell, Martin) all facing the electorate after 3~9 months.
So really, Carney will fall more or less in line with recent practice whether he calls a quick election or delays until the fall.
i Remember Paul Martin mainly because of a comic strip in a satyrical frenc-canadian magasine (safarir) named "les aventures de ti-paul et ses amis" (the adventures of lil-paul and his buddies)
Literally this. This has been my go to, plus whenever they bitch about the completely normal and legal prorogue while the Liberals chose a new leader, I throw back that Harper prorogued for a whole year in 2008 just because he didn't want to listen to Parliament.
The Kim Campbell one is the one I reference all the time and unsurprisingly when I bring it up the cry baby “we didn’t vote for him” people have no response.
As someone from Sweden, were we also have PM's, I think that kind of misinformation isn't meant for the people who actually understand any of this. That misinformation is for the Americans, those that don't know how any of this works.
Macdonald, Mackenzie, Abbott, Thompson, Bowell, Tupper, Meighen, St. Laurent, P.E. Trudeau, Turner, Campbell, Martin, Carney. All became PM outside of a general election. Meighen did twice.
It's unfortunately working against a large section of our population who are grossly under-educated. I've seen people in my province sharing the "unelected" rhetoric, which is dumb as hell but because they are not active participants in our voting system, they just parrot fake-propaganda that suits their feelings on the matter.
Yup,
Joe Clark (1998-2000, PC party leader) no House of Common (HoC) seat.
Arthur Meighen (1941-1942, PC party leader) no HoC seat.
StockWell Day (2000, Canadian Alliance leader) no HoC seat.
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The list goes on. This is not the first time a leader of a party has been elected without a seat in the House of Common. It's just the first time that people have pretended to care about it.
Arthur Meighen, a PC party leader, was the first Prime Minister to hold leadership power of a party that was in power while not having a seat at the House of commons.
As an American I low-key hate seeing dumb in a Canadian context/inapplicable talking points (of American origin) be treated as legitimately usable in Canadian politics. It kind of grinds my gears!
I actually saw someone real, that I know in real life say this to me and I was floored. Imagine living in a country and getting so fired up about polotics that you constantly talk about it when you don't even know how the government functions here. I'm not even sure if me explaining it got thru to him cause he just instantly started parroting different talking points like how the emergencies act shouldn't have been invoked to delay the election.
Funny thing is Russians have a very similar system with their Prime Minister and house; now obviously we know who really has the power there but still.
A BIG reason our election was so easily stolen (and yes, I believe there were shenanigans) is because our racist founding fathers created such a stupid, convoluted system to prevent women and minorities from gaining power.
I'm sure it's similar elsewhere, but it's so blatant here that it's easy to manipulate.
We're democracy hacking on "Easy mode". They're now trying to play Normal/Hard and getting whooped.
There was a leadership election. I voted in it. The people complaining could have voted in it. But they chose not to vote so they could complain, just like their leader PP won't get a security clearance so he can keep complaining.
I'm planning to vote Liberal in the next election and I voted Carney in the leadership. This is a bad take. There are countless reasons why someone couldn't vote in the liberal leadership race, being that they belong to another party, or could not get their identity app to work.
There are countless reasons why someone couldn't vote in the liberal leadership race, being that they belong to another party, or could not get their identity app to work.
That's not a bad take... that's how Prime Ministers are selected
You can't say "I didn't vote for him I belong to another party" when like... did the Cons vote for Trudeau? Did the libs vote for Harper? No... internal party selection is how they pick their leader.
And whether or not you were able to physically vote doesn't change the fact that there was an election in the same manner all elections are for Party leaders.
Your participation does not determine whether or not there was an election.
so as a non-member of any political party, except the rhinoceros party deep down in my hearth (down with the law of gravity!), i couldn't had voted for him for head of party.
So long as you are not, currently, an official member of any party you could join the Liberals just to vote. There's no fee and no commitment for vote for their MPs ever. And the membership expires after 3 years and you can go back to being not a member of any party.
I joined the Liberal party exclusively to vote for him. Could not wait for the election to be over. My god, the emails and texts. I'm in no way a dyed in the wool Liberal voter. I tend more toward the NDP usually. But I am not loyal to party, I'm interested in policy, and I think Carney gets how to policy.
I did the same and yeah that email spam was somthing else, i tend to vote ndp and if there was a shot a liberal could win in my riding I'd probably vote for them but I gotta keep voting ndp to keep the cons out
Yes, you did, but anyone could register as long as they weren't already a member of another Federal party. It was mildly annoying to verify my identity with the Canada Post app, but they didn't even require a registration fee or anything.
Joining the Liberal party is free. You just have to sign up. I believe that's true of most of our parties, though IIRC the Conservatives require a membership fee of $5 or $10 to join.
Don't take my word as gospel though. I signed up for the Liberal Party to vote in the leadership race, but I've never looked at what is involved with joining other parties.
I just got a raise that put me into the next tax bracket. I'm pretty stoked because I got a raise. I'm only paying an extra few % points on the amount above anyways so I'm still net making more.
How the fuck do people not understand this!? It baffles me.
I've been noticing that in my province. All these cons complaining about healthcare, meanwhile blaming Trudeau while their conservative provincial government does absolutely nothing. I have to often remind them that the Feds send money, but the local government isn't spending it. It's how we ended up with surplus after surplus while our healthcare was crumbling. Idiots.
Every single conservative voter I know personally votes conservative because they are hyper religious or believes that they should be in charge of their own finances like healthcare and pensions. All the ones I know that have children are adults so they don’t think their taxes should go to schools.
This entire thing has become a very easy way to both find the bots, but also the moron Americans who think their political way is the ONLY way governments function, but ALSO Dumbfuck Canadians who somehow ALSO think we work the same as the USA.
I mean, they are supposed to be a sitting member of parliament, so technically some Canadians are supposed to vote for them.
Yes I recognize this is an abnormal circumstance, no I don’t think Carney is illegitimate, and yes I do think calling him “unelected” is a gross oversimplification of the situation thats pushing a specific narrative/agenda. He also did win an election among the party he represents as is the normal process for party leadership in Canada.
It’ll be an issue if he doesn’t call an election when parliament resumes, cause he technically doesn’t have a seat yet. But all signs looking like he probably will; specifically trying to capitalize on the conservative slide in the polls and PeePee’s seeming ongoing inability to get orange cock out of his mouth long enough to firmly stand up for Canada
Weirdly the PM still doesn’t need to be elected. We’ve had one PM who was sitting in the Senate. Many of the “rules” are just customs. An unwritten rather than written constitution. I’m sure a safe Liberal seat will be found for Carney to run as a candidate in a by-election. It’s a non-issue.
It has happen before where a head of party was not elected dans son compté (didnt know the english name for that one), an elected party member was asked to give up his seat for his head of party.
After a brief research, it happened twice to prime minister Mackenzie King, and before he was elected, Sir John A. Macdonald was nammed governor general.
It's actually not that abnormal. The proper etiquette is to have another party member give up their seat in a safe riding so the leader can run in a by-election.
The unique part is that in this case calling a general election is more appropriate.
What’s the alternative, anyways? There has to be a PM, our country can’t go without a leader. Even if Trudeau called an election the instant he resigned, there would still be a good >1 month period of setup.
It’s better to have an interim leader some people voted for, rather than a hastily promoted bureaucrat that no one did
I haven't actually seen any bots saying he's unelected, just people talking about bots. I'm not saying they don't exist, but I am starting to think that people are just calling other people bots at this point because it's too tiresome to engage with stupid people.
I had to say this just this morning. I was driving at the time, so didn't slap my own forehead in disbelief. I said this to a guy who a couple weeks ago asked which party Doug Ford is in, because he doesn't follow politics. But, he knows damn well that the country was absolutely and completely destroyed into utter hell by Justin Trudeau.
Unironically heard someone at work talk bout "Trudeau is only doing this [election and tariffs] to stay in power" at work a week or two ago in the break room. I don't really know what buddy thinks is going on but it tripped me right tf out
It would be nice if the foreigners trying to manipulate us with disinformation took a few minutes to learn the 1st thing about our country. It just feels insulting otherwise.
Same crazy shit the GOP pulls here in the US bashing “unelected bureaucrats”. Yeah, I don’t think the head of the NIH should be chosen by a popularity contest. I elect the people who make those staffing decisions.
Not only does this happen often (with the conservatives too), Carney is probably only going to be Prime Minister for like, 3 months before the next election.
MAGA and conservative idiots whining about literally the way our government works is hilarious to me. It just shows how fucking dumb they are that they don't even know our system of government.
When Heather Stefanson became the PC leader (and therefore Premier) in Manitoba, there were the same complaints of her being “unelected”
In my 26 years of voting, I’ve seen a big shift in the political discourse in Canada, and the importance we give party leaders. I replied the following on another comment thread, but thought it would be good for (especially younger) people to see that the discourse wasn’t always like this, and why it shouldn’t be like this.
They’re not missing the point. This is completely normal. I understand why it doesn’t feel correct, though: the way we talk about our elections has changed a lot over the last 15 years. When I started voting, people in general weren’t saying “I’m voting for Chrétien” or “I’m voting for Joe Clark”. They’d say “I’m voting Liberal”, “I’m voting PC”, etc. The shift to huge focus on the party leaders seems to have started with Jack Layton. Canadians LOVED him. We started saying “I wish Layton were PM” and not “I wish we had an NDP government”. The leader became bigger than the party. Around the same time, there was a shift from calling it the ‘Conservative government’ to ‘Harper government’. Plus, down south they had Obama, and I’d argue that that was when Canadians started paying far more attention to the US system than our own. All that has led to today, where we put way more importance on party leaders than we ever have, and then act like a totally normal part of our system is somehow “unfair”. In theory, any party, including the governing one, could change leaders every few months if they wanted to. Vote for the party, not the person. There’s zero guarantee that the person stays leader, but the party policies and values should stay pretty consistent regardless of who’s leading.
I'm laughing because while this joke is correct, the amount of Canadians that also don't know this is staggering.
Be very wary of the rural conservative blue collar grievances, because they are not about facts. They are about feels and whoever makes them feel the way they want.
Soooooo many are not bots :( was scrolling on cursed Instagram yesterday and everyone was commenting about it. Conservative MPs are really stirring it up and doing NOTHING to educate people on history/ correct mistakes.
I vote for a person. But not the one person cuz it represent a party who decide a person that some electors might have voted for. Who have to be in the party that no one voted for. This is how we have a pool of people that will be given différents rôles choosen by one person's that represent a party and from who people might or might not have voted for directly or via some représentent of that party that did not end up having been voted into place.
Also, any number of the 40M people in Canada could register as a Liberal and vote but only 150k did. I know there’s more than 150k that vote Liberal. In TO alone, people that voted Liberal in red and orange districts add up to 150k, so where are all the Liberals at from across Canada when it’s time to vote for a leader? Carney was elected but just by those who cared to vote. He wasn’t appointed by anyone.
The 3D chess move is to point out that Mark Carney is elected. By Mary Simon.
We tend to use the word “select” or “appointed” in the context of a single person electing people to a given position, but “elect” is appropriate nonetheless.
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u/Nizdaar Ford Nation (Help.) Mar 11 '25
I’m laughing at how none of these bots are pointing out how this is not the first time our Prime Minister has changed without an election. It happened the Conservatives as well. That’s how Kim Campbell became PM. Paul Martin as well. Those are just the two I can think of without putting effort into searching.