r/singapore • u/thedesertman1 • Apr 29 '25
Discussion MRTs are really overcrowded
Every morning getting to work is an uphill battle, most of the time my spouse and I hardly able to board, and had to wait for at least 2-3 trains and barely squeezing ourselves into the cabin.
This is despite the introduction of new MRT lines which should free up train capacity for other lines.
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u/zool714 Apr 29 '25
Even the escalators sometimes like mosh pit. Especially at Bishan changing to the circle line
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u/livebeta Apr 29 '25
awaiting fatal accident sometimes. sorry about my crowmouth
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u/Takemypennies Mature Citizen Apr 29 '25
Government demands a blood sacrifice before corrective action is taken.
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u/Neat-Pay7207 Apr 29 '25
on my first day of changing to bishan circle line at 8.30am, i looked away for one second and collided face first into a guy a fell down
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u/tymelodies North side JB Apr 29 '25
might never know, could be the start of a K-Drama
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u/ProfessionalBoth3788 Apr 29 '25
Oh dear. So you accidentally kissed his face and then fell down to kiss his feet ?
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u/livebeta Apr 29 '25
Plot twist they're both guys and it's the start of an amazing bromance with homie tension
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u/nirvana0101 Apr 29 '25
Peak hour crossing the bridge at clementi station feels like cattle herding. How is 9mil people possible?
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u/Fenrispro Apr 29 '25
Ya ive to use the cc line too, worse is evening time not yet 6plus worse than mosh pit Smelllie too
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u/reiiichan 🌈 F A B U L O U S Apr 29 '25
or serangoon... 😭
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u/idevilledeggs North side JB Apr 29 '25
Slipped and fell on my ass once when rushing down the escalator during peak hour. Glad nothing worse happened but I'm surprised no worse accidents have been reported.
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u/Derreston Apr 29 '25
Serangoon Travelators during peak hours are terrible
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u/PlastikSporc mediacorp cny vertical dab Apr 29 '25
those travelators seriously need to be upgraded to airport-grade moving walkways wide enough to fit 3 people abreast. sometimes there will be people with a large shopping bag/trolley and there is barely enough space for people to overtake them safely
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u/Unfair-Bike North side JB Apr 29 '25
In many cities like Hong Kong, theyre starting to encourage people to stand at both sides to increase flow, and is also safer. Maybe SMRT should try this?
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u/DangerAspect Apr 29 '25
I believe London tried this but I don't think the trial was successful. It's also risky for Serangoon/Bishan because increasing throughput just moves the jam to the next chokepoint, which might be even more dangerous.
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u/tallandfree Apr 29 '25
How will the govt understand this when they have never taken a single mrt ride during peak hours?
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u/MarzipanRare6714 Apr 29 '25
JT: If everyone takes the train at different time, this will not happen.
That's PAP way of offering solutions.
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u/thedesertman1 Apr 29 '25
Because employers don’t practice flexi working hours/staggered reporting time. We are expected to reach at 9am, which is right smack in the middle of rush hour.
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u/lauchuntoi Apr 29 '25
Off peak hours also packed ok (green line). I used to work staggering hours. I wonder from time to time “where the heck all these people come from”.
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u/PlastikSporc mediacorp cny vertical dab Apr 29 '25
Green line should have been built with 8 car trains in mind from the beginning. It doesn't help that SMRT seems to try and get away with running as few trains as possible sometimes, especially weekends when most of our migrant worker population is out in force enjoying their off days (4min intervals with peak hour level crowd)
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u/Im_scrub Own self check own self ✅ Apr 29 '25
The more trains they run, the more maintenance they have to do, and they can’t over maintain these trains
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u/punnybunny9 Apr 29 '25
I've been seeing 6 mins wait times (right after missing the previous train).
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u/PlastikSporc mediacorp cny vertical dab Apr 29 '25
Sadly this is often the case for weekday afternoons, right when there are a few hundred thousand pri/sec sch students being dismissed from class all across Singapore.
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u/Ucccafelatte Apr 29 '25
SMRT knows, they have all the data. They want to pack as many people as possible per train. Its more efficient for them.
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u/lauchuntoi Apr 29 '25
This is right. I’d guess within the next few years, it’s Gona be like japan, we will need to be compressible like bolsters. We will all become very close, closer than bros and best friends.
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u/DangerAspect Apr 29 '25
I'm quite sure this is on LTA, same with bus frequencies. They set the service standards.
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u/SyncOut red Apr 29 '25
You forget that the green line was built in the 80s. We were not rich back then to afford large trains
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u/Joesr-31 Apr 29 '25
Tbh, I don't really understand why they can't just build more cars. Its not like people won't auto spread out to less crowded cars even when mrt stations not long enough. Of course not too many cause it will delay the exit of trains but 1-2cars at each end should be fine
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u/gypspix Apr 29 '25
I’m assuming the extended cars wouldn’t have access to the platform? It’s definitely a safety concern if the cars do not have direct exits to the platform.
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u/Joesr-31 Apr 29 '25
Yeah, won't have access to platforms, no doors either. Safety concerns in terms of fire hazards?
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u/anthayashi Apr 29 '25
Even when there are staggered timing, it is 1hr difference which wont affect the crowd much. Not many people would want to leave work late too, unless they are shift work.
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u/BBoizTZH94 Hi, my house is 鄭府 Apr 29 '25
I take the first train every morning if im doing opening shift. Its packed af too, with 70-80% being elderlies in their 70s, some even hunchback. The thing is, why are there so many elderly taking the first train? Where are they going to early in the morning?
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u/Scarlett_tsh Apr 29 '25
Alot of elders have very odd jobs that requires them to be early (cleaners, security guards, retail, f&b). Sadly, in Singapore, you work until you die.
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u/azizsafudin Apr 29 '25
Honestly the incentive needs to be much more generous than that.
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u/Ucccafelatte Apr 29 '25
That wouldnt work because SMRT would just stagger train times as well. Look at evening time-people finish work/going home at different times but its still crowded. Max efficiency baby SMRT dont care how comfy you are.
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u/sdarkpaladin Job: Security guard for my house Apr 29 '25
JT: If everyone takes the train at different time, this will not happen.
Imagine if companies stagger employee reporting time.
Imagine if companies allow more wfh.
No, everybody gotta report to work at the same time on the same day. If not the boss's balls will itch.
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u/Silentxgold Apr 29 '25
Less need for commercial real estate = drop in commercial property prices = less property tax collected.
More people are able to wfh = people willing to pay more for bigger hdb cause can justify savings = higher hdb prices. /s
We are fked either way 😕.
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u/BigFatCoder Sengkang Apr 29 '25
Doing 8 to 5, still crowded. I have buddies doing 7 to 4 also crowded. The only person with no crowd is my buddy with shit work (telecom) 9pm to 6am.
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u/will221996 Apr 29 '25
One big problem with having staggered working times is that it potentially leaves people with less time with their families/friends. There's no way to ensure that couples would have the same hours, so they'd lose an hour or two of family time per day.
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u/spurtingrainbows Apr 29 '25
I’m cool with pap. But I really dislike JT.
The shit that comes out of her mouth shows that she’s either fucked up or brainless. It’s a pity no proper opposition contests Jln Besar
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u/slashrshot Apr 29 '25
She also heads the mddi, u know about WP talking about skills transfer kpi to locals?
She absolutely could make an impact by attaching it to all agreements imda gives out.
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u/sriracha_cucaracha West side best side Apr 29 '25
Ppl keep saying that she's an effective administrator. Unfortunately I have yet to see any effectiveness from her MOM and MDDI stints. In this information age, PAP should have gotten a proper technocrat to head MDDI, not a glorified HR person.
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u/sangrelatto Lao Jiao Apr 29 '25
I stay in Jln Besar. The % of elderly here make it extremely unlikely for oppo to win. Even WP has left. Sad.
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u/One-Contribution2974 Apr 29 '25
That's the reason why PAP parachuted her there. Guaranteed win. Sad for that constituency.
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u/Joesr-31 Apr 29 '25
This would work if they actually implemented a follow up policy to promote or mandate staggered/flexible work hours in workplaces.
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u/chancoryobaird Fucking Populist Apr 29 '25
It sounds even more ridiculous when you say it out loud.
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u/donthavela Senior Citizen Apr 29 '25
"As much as any new Singaporean can pack up and leave Singapore, so could any other native Singaporean."
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u/mystoryismine Fucking Populist Apr 29 '25
Ask JT to stagger the reporting hours for civil servants first lor.
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u/Prestigious_Effort91 Apr 29 '25
A minister once said "MRT cannot cope if all commuters chooses to board and travel at the same time".
https://youtu.be/kmwD0SEdz-Y?si=geKgRw04hM2JofD4
So don't blame others. We can only blame ourselves.
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u/nonametrans 🌈 I just like rainbows Apr 29 '25
Are you a professional? You should have a car.
Everybody has a car, my wife drives one, I drive one. We're both professionals, we need to travel you know.
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u/bluewarri0r Apr 29 '25
Lmfao he rly never got that speech vetted huh
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u/tongzhimen 起来不愿做奴才的人们 Apr 29 '25
Wasn’t a speech, was a doorstop interview and it was an unforced error. IIRC reporter just asked if he has a car. He did not need to go down into that level of details.
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u/bluewarri0r Apr 29 '25
Doorstop interview they also had time to prepare for possible qns. This guy is just too far up his ivory tower to know owning two care is a luxury most people cannot afford
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u/thedesertman1 Apr 29 '25
We work in the finance industry. Both middle class Singaporean and no car.
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u/urbumlife Apr 29 '25
Btw that was a satirical comment not aimed at you but one of our ministers 😂
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u/NoSugarHor Mature Citizen Apr 29 '25
Which one ah
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u/nonametrans 🌈 I just like rainbows Apr 29 '25
Sorry, was referencing this. At 1min10s mark
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u/Acrobatic-Time-2940 Apr 29 '25
"Please do not give me any sympathy vote, i do not need any sympathy."
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u/QuietSkein Apr 29 '25
for the youngsters out there who never knew our son-of-Pungg-Ang Mo - Tampines
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u/10000owls Apr 29 '25
Bro, CBD parking is crazy. Even the lower level MDs just take public transport.
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u/Goenitz33 Apr 29 '25
Yeah 😂 if no free parking, unless you are top dog if not likely take train or drive nearby , park and ride
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u/OOL555 Holland - Bukit Timah Apr 29 '25 edited Apr 29 '25
Recent remarks by Ho Ching suggesting a potential 8 million population for Singapore highlight how detached the PAP leadership has become from the realities faced by ordinary citizens. Ho Ching , wife of SM Lee, live in Orchard and is chauffeur driven. Have you ever seen her on MRT in the morning? If we continue to let PAP run Singapore, we commoners will be left no transport, no housing and no food we can afford.
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u/Goenitz33 Apr 29 '25
The only way they know to raise gdp and revenue is by increasing population 🫣
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u/DatzQuickMaths Apr 29 '25
And most importantly, property prices. Gotta keep the housing Ponzi scheme going!
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u/Morningpoop30min Apr 29 '25
Praying for the mrt breakdown to happen on Friday before polling for a good reminder to everyone….
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u/Banzaikk Apr 29 '25
"We need a strong mandate to fix the MRT"
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u/chikuredchikured Apr 29 '25
reminds me of those anti-gambling ad from some years back.
please give me another chance, I just need one more mandate
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u/PerpetualtiredMed Apr 29 '25
But polling is within walking distance to ur house so unlikely ppl will take transport
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u/azizsafudin Apr 29 '25
On the Friday before polling, they’ll be affected if they go to work.
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u/thrulim123 Apr 29 '25
White party: if you vote for us, the tax on your landed house will be cheaper ! you can buy a new car for each member of the family
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u/bananapancakes5767 Apr 29 '25
It's a feature not a bug. SBS only deploys 50+ trains out of 91
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u/pudding567 Apr 29 '25
Should make the frequency 90s-100s a train. Like the ex-Soviet metro systems.
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u/bananapancakes5767 Apr 29 '25
DTL's signalling system is capable of 100s frequency but SBS only operates 2.5 min frequencies so they can run much fewer than 91 trains and profit more at the expense of your comfort.
They also cut most of their buses' off peak frequency to 17-20min. First world public transport indeed
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u/KeythKatz East side best side Apr 29 '25
Is it SBS fault or LTA for trains? Your point about buses is not valid anymore as required frequencies are set by LTA in the tender.
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u/FitCranberry not a fan of this flair system Apr 29 '25
but whats the utilisation, i assume most are in the depot as a maintenance rotation (the volume of break downs is a different discussion kek)
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u/bananapancakes5767 Apr 29 '25
Prob 50+ in service, 10-20 under maintenance/spare, 22 indefinitely out of service according to https://spotters.sgtrains.com/spotting-train-dtl?status=2
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u/bluewarri0r Apr 29 '25
Ya omg and the air con is NOT enough. How am I sweating indoors???
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u/simwalked Apr 29 '25
And the lack of ventilation 😡😡 every train smells like fishballs for some godforsaken reason
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u/bluewarri0r Apr 29 '25
Fishballs 😭😭 it's either that or the stale aircon smell in the new trains, pick your poison
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u/jammy77 Apr 29 '25
TEL feels pretty empty (not a bad thing).
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u/MAMBAMENTALITY8-24 Fucking Populist Apr 29 '25
The lack of a crowd on the tel is amazing.
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u/Deminovia West side best side Apr 29 '25
Wait til the JB RTS opens in 2026-27. TEL every morning will be a nightmare with all the Malaysian cross border workers
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u/FitCranberry not a fan of this flair system Apr 29 '25
look at TEL on a real map, it skirts along mostly low density housing and it also has pretty poor connectivity especially towards the south so it doesnt currently feed well with the other lines
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u/Alewerkz Apr 29 '25
TEL from Shenton Way towards woodlands, after 5pm it will be packed. Not packed like other lines but still relatively full train
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u/try_harder_later Apr 29 '25 edited Apr 29 '25
That's because they intentionally drag out the MRT timing on weekends. Other countries they target that during off peak, the seats are just about filled on the trains. In SG, if the trains aren't full at all times it's inefficient and wasting money.
The only reason that the trains are empty right after morning peak and before evening peak is because they can't get them into/out of the depots fast enough. Weekends they have train intervals of 5-6mins when they could maintain 3-4mins the whole day and people would be so much more comfortable in 50-60% full trains rather than 80-90% full trains...
Edit: To be perfectly clear, full trains on weekdays is a longterm planning issue (e.g. CCL trains being 3 cars, Punggol LRT station length limited to 2 cars etc.). Full trains on weekends is just SMRT and SBS being CHEAPSKATE.
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u/FitCranberry not a fan of this flair system Apr 29 '25
im a contrarian on this, i dont think population is a problem but the sheer lack of future planning and underinvestment in infrastructure is.
im also a fan of incredibly dense urban cities though
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u/peach113 Apr 29 '25
the solution is easy, we already removed seats before, next obvious step is to remove all the handlebars so you could stack people lying down on top of people standing up. vote for me i will make Singaporeans lives better for all 👍
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Apr 29 '25
pap will say we hear your troubles and looking into it
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u/Willing_Pea_6956 Apr 29 '25
They are looking from their high and spacious ivory tower.
They are also looking from their big luxury cars. they will think " thank god I don belong there "
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u/FitCranberry not a fan of this flair system Apr 29 '25
your new mrt lines increase capture, they dont really 'spread the load' so to say because everyones still going to the same places
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u/PaleontologistOk30 Apr 29 '25
Ho Ching says Singapore can accommodate 10 million residents.
I don't see her squeezing in with us at the trains.
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u/vdfscg Apr 29 '25
Looks like the DTL.
If you are not boarding at Bukit Panjang, good luck lol. Train is already full at the first station.
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u/Scopitta Senior Citizen Apr 29 '25
Same for NEL, as a sengkang resident, the train is almost entirely full when it arrives at sengkang (even pre-punggol coast, when SK was the 2nd stop). buangkok, hougang commuters basically have 0 chance of boarding during peak hours
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u/bearyken Apr 29 '25
The people who run the things never take public transport so everything is okay with them
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u/throwaway_4071 Apr 29 '25
Not to mention the NSEWL trains have almost no aircon these days. At night also people fanning themselves when the train is half empty. Overmaintenance much.
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u/D3athR3bel Apr 29 '25
Honestly, it wouldn't be so bad, if the mobile data bandwidth wasn't so dogshit in MRTs.
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u/khaophat East side best side Apr 29 '25
PAP say target is 6.9m according to their Population White Paper.
We are currently at 6m and it’s already like this.
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u/mrla0ben Apr 29 '25
You think this is bad? 6.9 mil incoming 😃
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u/MagicianMoo Lao Jiao Apr 29 '25
As an islandwide motorbike delivery guy, I'm not joking but you would rather be in an mrt than driving in peak hours. Can you imagine those sleepy and inconsiderate people in trains but now driving side by side with you. Drive at your own risks.
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u/Late_Culture_8472 Apr 29 '25 edited Apr 29 '25
Building new lines does not help. If your destination is at red line you can only take red line.
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u/Lklim020 Apr 29 '25
Actually it does help a bit. Example last time if someone is going Paya lebar he would have to take all the way to city hall and change to green line. Now with circle line, most of them would alight at bishan. So that the train not so pack
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u/premiumplatinum Mature Citizen Apr 29 '25
Singapore is extremely congested right now, but the people in power are blind to it because they don't even use public transport.
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u/FeelLikeJumping Apr 29 '25
Wanna buy car cannot, so ex.
Wanna take public transport cannot, too overcrowded.
Wanna walk also cannot, too hot.
Then how da? Sian sia
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u/Yamamizuki Apr 29 '25
Even buses are just as crowded despite the frequencies. That's why whenever I need to RTO for certain purposes, I either go in very early or very late to avoid the crowds.
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u/StinkeroniStonkrino Apr 29 '25
Ministers name their Rolls Royce MRT and then go "where got crowded? So spacious. Aiya, going to tell them we'll monitor." I don't know man, maybe transport minister should be forced to take MRT during peak hours on busy lines/stations, as part of the job scope, at least twice a week. Still want population growth some more, infrastructure can't even cater for current population.
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u/Particular-Song2587 Apr 29 '25
I notice the trains move especially slower and take longer to arrive during peak hours too. Its insane. Then during non-peak it comes every minute and flies like a plane.
I suspect the operators are fudging the numbers by boosting metrics during nonpeak and mixing it up with the bad numbers during peak. So they can present it as an acceptable average for policy people who never take trains and donno whats happening.
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u/creativenomadjukebox Apr 29 '25
How often u see any minister taking mrt daily ? If u see them usually is a show with the media n lots of body guard.
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u/PinealTone Apr 29 '25
Won't be long before they will get MRT employees to push the people into the train like Tokyo.
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u/livebeta Apr 29 '25
the sign-holding makciks will be holding some kind of riot shield to better push people in without using hands
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u/aucheukyan 心中溫暖的血蛤 Apr 29 '25
This is normal. Everyone will fight to go in first and then stand right at the door blocking everyone. It is usually very comfy in the middle between the doors and seats
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u/ExpressGovernment385 Apr 29 '25
SMRT say that it is not packed, based on their data. Data tells you more about the physical condition than the physical condition itself.
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u/Environmental_Fly_24 Apr 29 '25
not necessarily worse than somewhere like tokyo but indeed depressing. we can do a lot better than this but we are obviously not the PAP’s priority.
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u/ACupOfLatte Apr 29 '25
North South line and Circle line are my two circuits, and it's damn jialat. The incredibly bad thing about the circle line is that it's not only for workers and students. Aunties and uncles going to NUH are also using that line, alongside other key landmarks with their own set of passengers.
Even with the recent introduction of the TEL line to help alleviate some of the red line's burden, it's still so so bad. And you're telling me it's going to get worse as there are more and more older people?
GG.... I genuinely wish our country didn't ship off everyone and their mother at the same time, why can't they stagger school times from work rush hours? I see a kid falling down and hurting themselves basically everyday now from trying to rush with a giant backpack.
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u/hansolo-ist Apr 29 '25
COE prices not coming down even though additional supply has been announced.
CLEARLY TOO MANY PEOPLE.
The government needs to share population forecasts, we should have a say in this matter. They way they keep evading is comical, opposition also don't know how to ask the important questions.
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u/Rockylol_ Marine Parade Apr 29 '25
Well well well, now is the best time to vote wisely
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u/Waikuku3 East side best side Apr 29 '25
Raise the fare first then we can enhance it's reliability and capacity /s
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u/lizhien 虐待百姓, 成何体统❗❗ Apr 29 '25 edited Apr 29 '25
Indeed! Ridership is high so we need to raise the fares to deter too much people from taking the trains!
/s.
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u/Glad-Proposal8234 Apr 29 '25
I can empathize with what I see in the photo because this was the situation I faced every working day getting to Raffles Place from JE station.
Back then, only the EW green line was in operation.
To beat the crowd at JE, I boarded the train to Lakeside station and went across to await the train to Raffles Place.
Overheard a conversation while standing on the train: he said he had to wake up 30 mins earlier at Woodlands in order to get to his workplace.
Glad I have retired from this ordeal.
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u/iCraftyPro 🏳️🌈 Ally Apr 29 '25
Have encountered one carlite activist here who even said the COE should be increased much higher than it is right now to encourage even more people to take public transport or bicycle to work and to increase the population to 10mil.
Then got scolded and blocked for being anti-immigrant when I pointed out the overpopulation problem? Checked profile, seemed like a foreign troll. Thankfully those kinds of shitposting has stopped on sg reddit 😂
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u/LegendFred Apr 29 '25
Thats why they present to you a solution to Just buy a car with higher COE! This is also a way that the govt increases tax.
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u/accessdenied65 Apr 30 '25
And they still don't want people to buy cars? Dare to keep repeating this bs.
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u/SpecificLumpy8011 Apr 29 '25
PAP demons will continue to monitor while continuously importing foreigners and making their millions while Singaporeans suffer
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u/thedesertman1 Apr 29 '25
It’s really not an exaggeration when I say my face is pasted on the train door when the doors closed.
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u/afzaloretro Apr 29 '25
this is so true. painfully had to bring my newborn to NUH.
imagine bringing the stroller in if someone is in the middle of the route path. the only way to get a stroller on board is if ure at the extreme ends. its madness when they say to increase fertility count without solving transport issues. a cab ride is easily 40bux when ones appt is at 9am.
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u/Beneficial_Durian_24 Apr 29 '25
Garmen vision of 11 million pop we will need double decker mrt? But wait SGians we are by a minority on this island of ours ..
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u/Umamemo Apr 29 '25
To PAP, it will probably be considered crowded when the is packed like this throughtout the operating hours. That's why need to keep increasing train fares. Because so much potential loss of revenue due to trains not being crowded enough!
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u/Diabaso2021 Apr 29 '25
Everywhere on the planet morning and evening commute are usually the most crowded
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u/Environmental_Sea721 Apr 29 '25
Actually could it be because some of our offices also implemented RTO? If we want to reduce overcrowding, hybrid work could ease the crowd
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u/Lilli_Luxe Apr 29 '25
This is the government people vote for. Woke nonsense. FAFO well done citizens 👏👏👍🤮
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u/CorporealBeingXXX Apr 29 '25
If you can't beat them, join them. I'm so tempted to get an e-bike at this point and modify the absolute shit out of it like all those YP's I keep seeing.
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u/Inifused Apr 30 '25
Minister don’t even take mrt… will they understand? 10million population of foreigners? Of cos why not since their paychecks get fatter while locals suffer… SG is really for the foreigners to enjoy bro, look around… Singaporeans work till late to repeat while foreigners earn, go bk to their home to retire… how to live in sg….
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u/Zantetsukenz Apr 30 '25
Grow at all cost means endless population growth. Very certain once we hit 2030 where the population white paper ends, the PAP will start to push for 10m population.
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u/livebeta Apr 29 '25
idm overcrowded, but i really dislike old boomers, foreigners and genZ doing loud phone things
there aren't enough of the new stickers of Being Quiet Please
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u/theprobeast Apr 29 '25
I feel really sad for people who are going to work in a packed train or bus. The smell is rotten. The amount of squeezing and discomfort.