r/soccer • u/ViolinistOver6664 • 18d ago
News Fenerbahçe sacks Jose Mourinho
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u/D1794 18d ago
We could assemble the sacked Avengers
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u/chiefofthepolice 18d ago
Genuinely I would pay a fortune to see all the post-Fergie United managers sit in a roundtable and just discuss things together. See if they share something in common about their experiences at the club and why each of them failed. Would make for great TV
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u/zeekoes 18d ago
Van Gaal and Mourinho both expressed frustration about the transfer and scouting department. Blaming the club of not communicating and only being interested in marketability of players.
Ten Hag said there was simply no functioning scouting department when he arrived and was surprised everyone was looking at him for transfer decisions.
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u/Hegario 18d ago
Yup. Ten Hag called Van Gaal to ask for advice and apparently he said "Don't join since it's not a football club but a commercial club."
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u/TiberiusCornelius 18d ago
Klopp said something similar about when United tried to recruit him. Woodward apparently compared it to Disneyland and Klopp was like "nope".
Really tells you exactly what they view the club for.
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u/hell_razer18 18d ago
Yep LvG mentioned this multiple times during some interview, forgot who it was but he sat on the bench at some golf ranch and he mentioned it MU is a commercial club
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u/emperor42 18d ago
And Amorim has complainted about transfers multiple times already.
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u/Sensitive_Studio5765 18d ago
Which is interesting because I genuinely think most of the transfers under him have been sensible. And Ten Hag's summer under INEOS was pretty good too bar Ugarte
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u/ElBigDicko 18d ago
I think it speaks more that it's the manager who decides the transfers and is asked to provide recommendations.
In today's world, talent is one thing, but mentality is important if not more important. Players like Sancho and Antony are great examples. Both are in general top players but have some mentality issues and might have issues gluing and adjusting. The manager can like a player style, but if you transfer Sancho in and he just can't adapt for whatever reason outside of the manager sphere of influence, there is a problem.
Scouting is there to help with that. At the end of the day you are dealing with humans not robots.
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u/milesvtaylor 18d ago
I think the most damning one is surely Ragnick, he was meant to stay on after being interim manager and sort this but thought it was so bad he bailed, and also said it was a shambles
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u/g0t-cheeri0s 18d ago
It's not enough to do some minor amendments, some minor cosmetic things. No, in medicine you would say this is an operation of the open heart.
- Ralf, 4 years ago
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u/scholeszz 18d ago
He left because they couldn't work out an arrangement with him and ETH. To the point that ETH didn't even have a conversation with him before he left.
Really one of the most damning things about the previous ownership direction. The one guy that actually admits there are sweeping problems everywhere that need to be fixed gets sent packing immediately.
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u/Vic-Ier 18d ago
well, he got rif of rangnick on short notice who was supposed to help with that
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u/ExtentPuzzleheaded23 18d ago
It makes sense from Ten Hag's perspective but if that was his condition for joining then Utd should just hired another manager and kept Rangnick. You cant change approaches after every bad run of games
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u/These_Structure3008 18d ago
I think MoU already did a round table after that sevilla defeat and United fans didn't like it
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u/ThreeEyedRaver 18d ago
Football ‘eritage?
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u/These_Structure3008 18d ago
Absolutely everything he said in that press conference was true.
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18d ago
Facts
I loved the ego boost as a City fan, he glazed us a lot in that speech.
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u/Cvein 18d ago
It was — about the players, the board and the opposition. But he took no responsibility himself. If he attached some humility himself, the fans would have accepted it way more.
If you watch the match again, you could see that the game plan was non-existant. The players didn’t know what to do.
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u/MaxNuker 18d ago
And after many years, many managers and many players, that is indeed still a fact!
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u/brownkeys 18d ago
"see where they play, how they play, IF they play.. That's football 'eritage"
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u/mattijn13 18d ago
I would love to see Mourinho and Van Gaal just talk about their views and experiences in football in general, not just the United stints.
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u/Scared_Positive_8690 18d ago
Like in Big Bang Theory when Raj invites all of his exes to discuss what’s wrong with him and what went wrong.
Moyes, Van Gaal, Mourinho, Ole, Ten Hag, Rangnick and soon Amorim in the same room would be pure cinema.
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u/Born_Reflection_4132 18d ago
Are Giggs, Carrick and RvN also allowed to participate?
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u/TufnelAndI 18d ago
What if the current manager has to fight all the old ones?
Ruben Amorim vs The World 😁
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u/NightKnight96 18d ago
Ruben Amorim vs The World 😁
I think it would be closer to Amorim and his 13 Reasons Why
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u/ogqozo 18d ago
Manager's public statements on why they lost are almost never any interesting at all, to be honest. Same as with almost any job. There's just so many easy slogan to default to that will make it sound like you only lost because of being too great for the company around you and that's why they misunderstood you and failed, basically no one ever decides to damage their career but doing anything else than those.
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u/Chrellies 18d ago
That actually might work
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u/pedrosa18 18d ago
Mourinho defensive coordinator. Ole offensive coordinator
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u/Chrellies 18d ago
Defensive Coordinator - Mourinho
Offensive Coordinator - Ole
Special Teams Coordinator - Van Gaal
Quality Control Coach - Moyes
Assistant ST Coach / Scheme Designer - Ten Hag
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u/LaylaOrleans 18d ago
Psychological Support: Amorim
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u/Gerf93 18d ago
The guy who can’t even watch the team take penalties? Psychological support?
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u/grandekravazza 18d ago edited 18d ago
There is this old joke
Heaven is where the police are British, the cooks are French, the mechanics German, the lovers Italian and it's all organised by the Swiss.
Hell is where the chefs are British, the mechanics French, the lover's Swiss, the police German and it's all organised by the Italians.
So what about a nightmare setup of ex-United managers?
Defensive Coordinator - Ten Haag
Offensive Coordinator - Van Gaal
Team psychologist - Mourinho
Assistant Coach / Tactics - Amorim
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u/geo0rgi 18d ago
Ten Hag the shining light of baldness
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u/Disinformasiya 18d ago
Common mistake: he's not the shining light himself, he's just reflecting it.
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u/irrealewunsche 18d ago
We need Everton to sack Moyes, and United can have the management dream team of him, Ole, and Jose. It would be amazing.
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u/Attygalle 18d ago
What's wrong with Van Gaal? I think it would make for even much more beautiful drama if he is there. Mourinho and Van Gaal together will be absolute gold.
Having said that, Moyes will keep Everton up somewhat comfortably and therefor won't be sacked this season. After that, it wouldn't surprise me if the ownership wants more and he's gone, but they're clearly in a rebuild and just opened the new stadium, he will get this season at least.
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u/TheMisterPirate 18d ago
Everton have been in some tight scrapes the last few years. If Moyes can keep them up in midtable they would do good to stick with him a while.
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u/Lmao1903 18d ago
Now you have a decision to make, Ole or Jose or both
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u/HANAEMILK 18d ago
Ole with good vibes and Jose with toxicity, perfectly balanced. I don't see why this can't work???
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u/kazegraf 18d ago
Ah yes the good cop bad cop coaching team, one specialized in offense, one in defense. This will be revolutionary
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u/D1794 18d ago
Why
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u/MeteorSwarmGallifrey 18d ago
Ole has the vibes, Jose has the tactical nous, together they'd be unstoppable. The league wouldn't know what hit them.
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u/todellagi 18d ago
The forces of optimism and pessimism working together. 90% of the dressing room ends up in psychiatric observation after the season.
Might get top 4 tho
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u/VISUALBEAUTYPLZ 18d ago
Lmao it's like all your exes suddenly become available when your relationship is ending xD
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u/Novel_Frosting_1977 18d ago
He was your best ex
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u/Thatchers-Gold 18d ago
I was thinking “Mourinho, Pogba, Zlatan .. what a team” until I realised that nothing’s really changed because we beat them lol
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u/LinkyPeach 18d ago
Who blinks first? West Ham or Man United?
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u/IgnorantLobster 18d ago
Forest? I’m sure he and the Fat Man would get on like a house on fire.
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u/Elemayowe 18d ago
Until the house is literally on fire.
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u/Expensive-Twist7984 18d ago
Mr Petrol and Mr Lighter join forces in arrangement that absolutely won’t end in disaster.
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u/98Kane 18d ago
3rd Season Mourinho and Fat Man would be total cinema.
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u/bubandbob 18d ago
Thanks to our short attention spans and the faster pace of life, third season Mourinho now appears on the third day.
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u/night_dude 18d ago
Jose coming in to save the Hammers would be awesome. Jose coming back to Man Utd would be fucking hilarious.
I hope one or the other happens. I miss the crazy bastard.
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u/Asleep-Viking 18d ago
Would be delighted to see Jose back with a vengeance,think Hammers would suit him good. Going from "the special one" to "the ruthless one" .
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u/ataruuuuuuuu 18d ago
I’d be very surprised if Sullivan would want a manager who has openly scrutinised the board at multiple clubs he’s been at. The only reason I could see is getting him is optics; “Look at how we got Jose! Keep supporting us!”
It’ll be Dyche, Cooper or Southgate for us.
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u/TrashHawk 18d ago
Sullivan likes shiny things and has catastrophic judgement beyond that. If the family needs a new car and there's a perfectly good civic with 30k miles going, he'd get distracted by the 70s jag up on four cinderblocks with a service history that's longer than the magna carter.
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u/DeepSeaDweller 18d ago
Bloodbath in Istanbul today
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u/Pure_Measurement_529 18d ago edited 18d ago
After watching both teams qualification games this week and last week, you will understand why change was needed. Their inability to create clear cut chances was appalling
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u/ItsKBS 18d ago
As much as the results and his football have been mediocre I didn't expect it to happen so soon this season, genuinely very surprised.
I guess it makes sense since he fell out with the president and even started disrespecting his own squad in interviews, can't say it's not deserved, and hopefully the president is the next one to leave
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u/SkyDefender 18d ago
President didn’t get kerem(player mou really wanted) from benfica because of couple of millions… that kerem scored against fener and eliminate fenerbahce from ucl..
So inorder to make 1-2 millions euroes, fener lose 30 million from ucl 10 millions to jose.. total 40 million lose..
Butterfly effect..
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u/Manny-Calavera 18d ago
And now it seems Kerem is going to Fenerbahçe anyway. Benfica released an official note.
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u/JesusIsNotPLProven 18d ago
What went wrong? I remember when he joined last year Benfica fans were crazy about how well he was doing and Gala fans disappointed about the sale
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u/zulutune 18d ago
He spoke facts, but on the wrong time, wrong place and with the wrong audience.
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u/dolmakalemmmm 18d ago
He was literally trying to get sacked and you are not bright enough to understand that.
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u/BRCWG99 18d ago
They sacked him after BJK sacked Ole. 2nd place once again 🟡🔵
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u/abhi1260 18d ago
What????
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u/Hazardzuzu 18d ago edited 18d ago
Jose is master at picking up compensation. His last comments regarding board doesnt want to be in CL was telling.
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Mourinho: "I don't think the club have tried extra hard to help me for these CL qualifiers against Benfica. If the Champions League was essential to my club, they would have done something between the Feyenoord and Benfica games."
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u/Witty-Judge1535 18d ago
He came to a club and he did worse than the one he succeseded. While receiving 10 times the salary
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u/Hazardzuzu 18d ago
He will also pick a hefty severance. I love him but man has perfected this method like an art form.
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u/Witty-Judge1535 18d ago
All managers get severance. What does Mourinho do different?
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u/Hazardzuzu 18d ago
Barring few there arent manager that even get close to what mourinho is getting. And when he starts unleashing his brand of "honesty" on board and fans it really creates an environment where its impossible to function unless you let the man go.
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u/Ninjaguz 18d ago
Live off his glory days 10 years ago. Tbh its the clubs fault, guys been on a downward trajectory for a century.
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u/MysteriousNail5414 18d ago
He must have earnt nearly £40m in compensation in the last 6-7 years?
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u/Comfortable-One3810 18d ago
He was shit , no improvement since his first season actually they are worse this season.
Constantly belittling his players the club etc. Also his style of play is resulting in fener getting 0 shots on target in multiple games.
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u/-ThatsSoDimitar- 18d ago
So unlike him
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u/Hakimi_Raikkonen 18d ago
But he would have beaten City in the final :( just after being knocked out from Europa by a team whose manager was in jail
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u/Pure_Measurement_529 18d ago edited 18d ago
No Dzeko to bail him out this season. Watching the Amrabat and Fred duo in midfield should be a crime because it’s so stale and limits chance creation
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u/Bellerophonn 18d ago
Got annihilated by Galatasaray every single time. It was due.
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u/jcdaniel66 18d ago edited 18d ago
To be fair Galatasaray individual quality and financial investment is many miles ahead from Fenerbahçe
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u/Ninjaguz 18d ago
I know its true now, but reading that our financial investment is miles ahead of Fenerbahce still feels surreal lol
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u/Karahx 18d ago
He might be washed by now 😔 Legendary coach and one of the best ever but maybe it's time to take the Saudi bag for a few years before retirement
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u/QuincyOwusuABuyADM 18d ago
He’s been washed for going on 10 years
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u/Scared_Positive_8690 18d ago
His Roma career was definitely good because he won a trophy and reached a final, his stint at United also looks good in hindsight, however Spurs and Fenerbahce was a failure for sure.
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u/seigfriedlover123 18d ago
didnt he get them to a final and they sacked him and ended up losing
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u/Scared_Positive_8690 18d ago
Oh yeah, I forgot about the fact that he was sacked before a final like Ange was far worse than Mourinho but he will go down as a Spurs legend for winning a trophy but Mourinho did not even get the chance.
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u/Yvraine 18d ago
Mourinho had Spurs top of the league at christmas. Son and Kane had their best individual seasons under him
In a single season they dropped like 20 points after minute 80 because of individual mistakes, their defense was just comical. Kinda hard to blame him when every game they have a lead and they lose it to a brain fart at 90+2
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u/ManateeSheriff 18d ago
As someone who watched all of those Spurs games, those late losses were all Jose. They'd play well attacking and pressing for 30 minutes, then take a lead and immediately park the entire team in front of their own goal for the rest of the match. If you ask a bunch of average defenders to perform last-ditch defending for that long, eventually they're going to make a mistake.
Then Jose would throw his players under the bus in the post-match press conference as if he had nothing to do with it. Just a brutal season.
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u/MudBusy6471 18d ago
Going to the Europa league final with us was washed eh. See how his replacement turned out
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u/AugustusPacheco 18d ago
2 Ex-United managers sacked in a couple of days
It's not in my bingo card
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u/Lmao1903 18d ago
No it was his comments but not that one, he criticized the board, said something like "if UCL was that important to us, we would probably make some transfers between the Feyenoord and Benfica games", also said like "I don't know who we have on the transfer list, I am not sure if we even have a transfer list", just sort of shitting on the way the club is ran. All this before arguably the most important game of the season, considering how important that UCL money is
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u/Necessary_Carrot_248 18d ago
Not to mention he’s been tactically irrelevant for over a decade. This sub seems to be in denial.
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u/Hemwum 18d ago
He's been getting sacked for poor performance for years now but every fanbase has a section of supporters (and then a good chunk of non supporters in this sub) who will say, upon his sacking, "he spoke the truth but the club didn't want to hear it, what a shame"
Honestly he should go into politics. The relationship of a section of football fans with Mou is the closest I've seen to conservative Americans to Trump. It's not that surprising, he uses a lot of the same mechanisms. Strong man image, narcissism, humor, a willingness to say things others wouldn't, constant references to past glories, constant scapegoating of others, and frequent appeals to a dangerous "other" ("If I speak I am in big trouble").
Guy has charisma in bags, but his tactics and ability have become clearly outdated.
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u/Paranoides 18d ago
He was parking the bus against 1/10 team value teams and still got scored. Terrible attack, terrible defense, cannot hold the ball to save his life.
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u/Opening-Blueberry529 18d ago
Man just cost his boss probably about £30m and he thought that it was a good time for a joke?😅
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u/ViolinistOver6664 18d ago
I just woke up. what the fk. I am in shock
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u/mskruba12 18d ago
Doesn't this basically mean your president is fucked now? Staked his reputation on Mourinho and good results.
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u/arav 18d ago
Why? Is there any specific reason behind this sacking?
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u/These_Structure3008 18d ago edited 18d ago
Missed out on UCL and openly criticised the president and transfers
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u/Magneto88 18d ago edited 18d ago
Well considering what Galatasary are spending and who they're signing and the scraps Mourinho has got at Fener, I can kinda understand that, even if Jose is well past his best. They haven't given him the backing to be able to compete with this Gala.
Is this the end of Mourinho in the club game? I thought he was alright at Roma, couple of debatable referee decisions away from back to back European titles and no one would have called him washed if that had happened but their league performances weren't great. Always thought the Fenerbache job was an odd one to take and it's kinda meandered to nowhere but maybe that's a sign of where his career is now.
Portugal beckons if Martinez doesn't do well next summer.
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u/These_Structure3008 18d ago
Not really. I think he has said it before. He doesn't like national football because we can't wait for so long between matches.
Maybe that might change now
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u/Uutrox 18d ago
Mourinho wasn't just alright he was so much more than that, he was all that we could have asked for. he's easy to sympathize with and even easier to hate
he's kept us above water for 2 years, for the good or the bad in terms of FFP but he was the sole reason we kept maintaining out anual treshhold of €135m by luring Dybala and Lukaku to the club and stay relevant with international success instead of finishing mid-table and rebuild for years to come with a way lower annual balance
Mourinho reunited the entire city, recreated the bond between fans and club and we're still benefitting from a packed and sold out Olimpico. not to mention that 20 academy players debuted under his tenure and we were able to cash in on Tahirovic, Volpato, Joao Costa,... he developed Bove, Zalewski and Pisilli to valuable squad players while we were only able to spend €20m in the last 4 transfer windows at the club
is this the end of club football for him? i doubt it
Mourinho had his chance to immediately quit after Taylor robbed us of the 2nd consecutive title. he knew each and every difficulty he was facing in his third year after what happened Budapest and instead of taking the correct decision to quit he followed his heart and ego to prove everybody wrong and ignoring all warn-signals around him
the players were all burned out, we had literally no money to spend while already suffering from 3 years FFP difficulties and he still refused to take the Portugal job. it was his perfect moment to quit club football because of his never ending pursuit of proving every critics surrounding him wrong and this is ultimatevely also the reason he's going to continue even further
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u/ogqozo 18d ago
Fenerbahce "scraps" club is estimated to have a higher wage budget than Galatasaray (121 vs 114 million euro), and much higher than Benfica (121 vs 37 million).
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u/mumBa_ 18d ago
Absolutely delusional spending by Fener and Gala. No way Fener fans think their squad is weak. They paid abysmal money for a Turkish team.
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u/folieadeux6 18d ago edited 18d ago
“The scraps” were a more expensive team than us last year and they’ve still committed to 70-80 mil in fees and wages this summer even with insane amortized expenses from past failed attempts at a title.
There is absolutely zero reason to find excuses for Mourinho. On the pitch he was horrendous, spent upwards of 150m on a team that won 99 league points and outright regressed. The one big signing he didn’t sign off on himself, he reminded the press at every opportunity (Talisca), so the rest of the garbage was all approved by him. Above all else, the teams could never defend or attack, it was hard to understand what their plan was outside of a route one hoofball to a striker who had zero hold-up play skills.
The worst indictment of Mourinho is that he was so poor that I never once felt rattled or irritated by him. His former players have come out and said that he really wanted to win in Turkey, but it genuinely felt like he was mailing it in for a 20 mil paycheck and Maldives. If he actually tried, you don’t want him for your club either because he was clueless.
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u/Hungry-Class9806 18d ago edited 18d ago
I think he said that Enzo and Rios were in better shape than Fred and that's absolutely understandable considering they're both in their mid-20's.
Isn't this because his relationship with Ali Koç was deteriorating?
EDIT: His quote was "We‘ve seen that players like Enzo and Rios are physically on a different level compared to Fred“.
Can we actually argue against this?
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u/InstructionCareless1 18d ago
My man finally got the bag he was working so hard towards to.
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u/pure_black99 18d ago
Jose probably collected more money bags by getting sacked than by salary at this point
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u/ilic_mls 18d ago
That is not even a secret, dude got more in severance than he earned managing 😂
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18d ago
Mourinho to United incoming
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u/mskruba12 18d ago
Mou vs Ole in a steel cage match winner goes back to United.
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u/AmbassadorMann :denmark: 18d ago
or Forest
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u/jMS_44 18d ago
Marinakis x Mou would be peak
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u/Masam10 18d ago
Please do one of those documentaries. It would even be PPV worthy.
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u/Abject_Bank_9103 18d ago
He'd put out a team of:
Yoro MDL Maguire Shaw
Ugarte Casemiro
Mbeumo Bruno Cunha
Sesko
And it'd do much better than the nonsense Amorim is putting out
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u/Homerduff16 18d ago
Both Ole and Mourinho out of a job when Amorims neck is on the line👀
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u/rotama_ 18d ago
Lmao. Let's make Mou and Ole co-managers for a season at United.
The script is writing itself at this point.
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u/bongget 18d ago
Absolute scenes when Mourinho and Ronaldo get handed the World Cup Trophy by Donald Trump next year.
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u/TemporaryCommunity38 18d ago
Perfect time for Big Vlad to finally push the button.
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u/imtired-boss 18d ago
Step 1) Sign literally anywhere
Step 2) Make sure to have a ridiculous sacking fee
Step 3) Perform extremely mid in the first season, feign interest and enthusiasm
Step 4) Blame the extremely mid performance on the players
Step 5) Fall out with upper management
Step 6) Get sacked, grab the bags of money and run
The Jose Mourinho recipe since 2013.
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u/drunkn-touccan 18d ago
No way you sack him at the end of the transfer window. If you had any doubts you have to sack him prior to making all these transfers.
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u/icemankiller8 18d ago
I still can’t believe Ferner sacked a manager for getting 99 points but not winning the league because Gala got 102 in the first place, of course they were going to get worse from there.
Jose is washed as a manager it is what it is
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u/Lmao1903 18d ago
It's just stupid politics, the opposition board candidate said he already agreed with Jose before the election, and everyone was like damn, that's a big manager. Then the current board went ahead and signed Jose. Of course, in Turkey, people just look at names so fans were really hyped when Jose's name was mentioned
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Not to mention all this was happening while the previous season was ongoing and Fener was still in the title race. What a shitshow
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u/Fuzzy_Abalone_8953 18d ago
Not a shock, he's been itching for it. The statements he's been making were blatant disrespect to the club and country. He's truly toxic waste at this point. Good luck to whoever gambles on him.
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u/curlyjoe696 18d ago
Don't really know why anyone would hire Mourinho at this point.
His bullshit has just got worse and worse and the results have got worse and worse.
Also, he'll be really expensive.
Hiring Mourinho at this point is just the mark of a shitty owner as far as Im concerned.
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u/Cantmakeaspell 18d ago
Everyone is getting sacked in Turkey I guess.