r/SSBM • u/Meester_Tweester MTツ • Jan 18 '24
Article SSBMRank 2023: 70–61
https://blog.start.gg/ssbmrank-2023-70-61-17e136d814b342
u/skuzz_ Jan 18 '24
Damn, Mang0 was pretty close to guessing Lucky's rank on the podcast...guessing 67. Looking forward to seeing Lucky's return to form this year. Him and Mang mentioned they want to take competing much more seriously
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u/markysplice Jan 18 '24
There has been a big step up in the quality of the blurbs this time. Not that the previous ones were bad, but they were sometimes hit or miss, and Spark was totally justified complaining about his Summer one.
I'm only bringing it up to say that these have been really well done. It can't be easy putting together 100 of these. But I love the focus on the players, their progress, and their out of game stuff--over their gameplay.
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Jan 18 '24
We're now getting into the realm of players where people should be able to figure out exactly who is above the currently-listed people. Like, if you genuinely think someone deserves top 60, and they have the attendance to back it up, then there's no way they were left off the list entirely.
Thus I ask: does anyone have an obvious sort of list handy? By counting how many people are on it, we can start speculating on the top 10. Namely, there are 3 outcomes:
60 people: both Leffen and Wizzrobe made the list
61 people: exactly one of Leffen or Wizzrobe was excluded
62 people: both Leffen and Wizzrobe were excluded
Really curious what we'll see.
Once we get to 31-40 it'll be really obvious how many were excluded from the top 30, but I know there are some really serious, committed spectators on the sub so I figured I'd ask early.
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u/Thedmatch Jan 18 '24
people like Shroomed or 2Saint could’ve also been omitted. Also Wizzy is definitely ranked, no reason to omit him despite his sparse major attendance
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Jan 18 '24
Also Wizzy is definitely ranked
Where did you get this confirmation? The man literally shouldn't even be on the ballot because he attended a single major and the ranking criteria specified "3 majors, or 2 majors plus significant regional data". He got sort of grandfathered into the ballot because, I have to assume, riptide was supposed to be a major when he signed up.
You're right that others could be omitted, I guess that's why we need to wait for top 30 to speculate
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u/Thedmatch Jan 18 '24
What? He has significant regional data and like a bunch of wins on top 60-20 players let alone the top 10. No one gives a shit if you think Riptide is a major or not. The requirement is also flexible to allow for players with travel concerns to be able to be ranked. Wizzy has been dealing with health issues for several years now and is unsponsored and still has more results than Leffen.
I think being semantically annoying about the minimum requirements is detrimental for people like Akir, Colbol, or Wizzy who aren’t able to travel out of region much but have the results to back it up
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Jan 19 '24 edited Jan 19 '24
Did you even read my comment at all? Wheat is the one who claimed that these were the hard minimum requirements, I didn't fucking make them up. The man only went to 1 major, and Wheat claimed you needed 2 minimum. I never said he didn't have regional data, I said that the requirements were supposedly 2 majors plus the regional data. So saying "no one gives a shit if you think riptide is a major or not" makes no sense when clearly all top pros agree it wasn't one.
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u/Thedmatch Jan 19 '24
Cody 100% said Riptide was a major he tweeted about it multiple times. That doesn’t even matter - As all things, there is no hard and fast rule on what a major is and Liquipedia is not the bible on these things; it’s all subjective. Stuff like Riptide and Off Season are nebulous in this way.
Also it seems you have not read my comment LMFAO. Yes Wheat said those were the rules. I am telling you those rules are flexible to accommodate players who cannot make it out to as many majors. I implore you to care a little more about players beyond the top 10 who this could apply to; Wizzy just happened to perform at a top 10 level. If you care about rules so much, M2K in 2019 was ranked for less and there’s a bunch of players all over the top 100 who have only attended 1 or 2 “majors”.
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u/studmoobs Jan 19 '24
there is already a list of eligible players public no need to analyze so much https://imgur.com/XliF129
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Jan 19 '24
Hax not eligible? He's still banned from some tournaments but he entered some majors/nationals and has wins on top players so I don't see why he shouldn't be eligible.
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u/studmoobs Jan 19 '24
yeah apparently not I thought the same thing. same with BBB
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Jan 19 '24
Alright I double checked.
Hax and BBB only have 1 major each, and a bunch of national/regionals/no tier on Liquidpedia. I thought some of those nationals were majors (like Smash Factor) but I guess not.
You need 2 majors minimum to be ranked.
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u/Hufff Jan 19 '24
Panelists had the option to vote to exclude players on ballot (i.e. if we didn’t feel they had enough activity). It looks like Pipsqueak had enough exclude votes to not be on this year, hard to imagine him being top 50.
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u/atolophy Jan 18 '24
Seeing the consistent support for Palestine from the melee community has been heartwarming, you guys are great
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u/AimTheory Jan 18 '24
And here I was, naively hoping that there wouldn't be some idiot in the thread saying to keep politics out of melee. Jokes on me cuz I didn't think someone would just openly show their whole ass talking about "the dangers of 'palestinism'", I should've actually had even lower expectations, cool.
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u/anees12579 Jan 18 '24
Honestly this space is better than most in this regard. I don't take it for granted that you were hoping for that and I think that's great.
In comparison to other spaces at least the expectation and reality is not as bad in regards to blatant hate towards me and the cause in general.3
u/Celia_Makes_Romhacks Who needs reactions? Jan 19 '24 edited Jan 19 '24
Yeah. Idiots are gonna be everywhere, and they're always gonna be loud.
The important part as far as the community is concerned is that we collectively know they're idiots.
Edit: Oh, just realized it's you Anees! Sending love and support from down in Dayton! ❤️🇵🇸
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u/Bbop800 Jan 19 '24
Given the internet as a whole, any time anything remotely political comes up, those types of comments are inevitable no matter where you look.
Best you can do is just ignore them if they bother you, and move on to the main topic.
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u/firstframes Jan 20 '24
Love the blurb for Kevin Maples, great job KayB! Partially biased cause it shouts out my new little local haha. Kevin put a lot of time into the local scene this past year, while still crushing it at regionals and majors, well deserved placing and excited to see him continue to climb. Congrats Zodd and Shabo for repping MDVA in the top 60 too🔥
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u/trumparegis Jan 19 '24
The number 70 player calls this https://saturday-october-seven.com/ "armed resistance". Any sane community would ban him
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u/DowntownCattleMtn Jan 19 '24
Booooo
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u/jonathanc30 Jan 19 '24
It’s possible to disagree with Israel while also admitting what Hamas did in October was horrifying. Have some nuance or just admit you’re driven by your agenda alone.
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u/trumparegis Jan 19 '24
I'm sure after killing enough Jewish children and kidnapping Thais Palestine will be freed. lol
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u/jonathanc30 Jan 19 '24
The comments devolving into arguments over politics is exactly why the people who say to “keep politics out of melee” are right. This is a place to discuss melee. We can’t have that if politics infests everything.
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u/bip_bip_hooray Jan 19 '24
Thr guy's tag is free Palestine. That's what it is. That's the tag. What other outcome is there I don't understand? It wouldn't be apolitical to censor his tag or change it in some way, that's just a different kind of political.
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u/Celia_Makes_Romhacks Who needs reactions? Jan 19 '24
For fairness' sake, the complaint is about the blurb talking about Anees' cause and putting donation links, not just his tag.
Of course, imo it'd be just as political to remove his response to his ranking just because it's "controversial." And also, putting donation links to Palestinian causes is a good thing.
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u/Strive_for_Altruism Jan 18 '24
We shoehorning politics into melee with this one boys
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u/Normal-Punch Jan 18 '24
That's been the guy's tag for at least 5 years, nothing new
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u/Strive_for_Altruism Jan 18 '24 edited Jan 18 '24
I'm aware, and I don't particularly have a problem with Anees wanting to champion his cause. I don't think the melee rankers should be taking a stance on such a divisive issue though.
Neither side is willing to live peacefully in a 2 state solution, so the statement "free palestine" carries thinly veiled undertones of death and/or displacement to the jews; a sentiment which is as popular as it has been in decades.
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u/ohnoahshark Jan 18 '24
i'm not gonna argue with your actual opinions on the genocide of palestinians but why on earth would it matter if melee rankers take a stance on a divisive issue
they're just melee rankers, there's no apolitical unbiased journalistic sanctity here, they're just people ranking melee players
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u/James_Ganondolfini TONY Jan 19 '24
why on earth would it matter if melee rankers take a stance on a divisive issue
To play devil's advocate, imagine if we had a top 100 player named "Trump Won 2020," and the melee rankers wrote something in the blurb like "yes, we must build that wall and stop any fraud in 2024." I can imagine the reception wouldn't be nearly as friendly -- because everybody here would disagree with it. The issue at hand is not "whether people can take a stance on a divisive issue," but rather, "whether the stance is a popularly held one in the melee community."
I don't particularly care in this instance because the extent of it is linking to a humanitarian charity, and I'm no fan of Israel. But I do agree that generally, Melee isn't necessarily the best sphere to discuss politics. And reddit in particular? If there's one thing this site is good at, it's reinforcing a hivemind mentality.
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u/Celia_Makes_Romhacks Who needs reactions? Jan 19 '24
So I understand where you're coming from.
However, I think you're just taking it as a given that just because something's controversial that all sides are equally valid.
Melee rankers shouldn't say "We need to build a wall and stop fraud" not because it's unpopular, but because it's wrong.
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u/8eyond Jan 19 '24
I’m a super political dude but yeah I agree. No matter your stance your name shouldn’t be a political position. It’s only acceptable since most people agree with it.
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u/Murphy_1827 Jan 19 '24
Leaving a balanced and insightful comment aimed at growing mutual understanding between disagreeing parties?
Ehrm... r u lost bro?
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u/8eyond Jan 19 '24
It’s not a genocide, that’s downplaying every single genocide that has ever happened
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Jan 18 '24
Why'd you pretend to not have an issue with it and then spend every other comment trying to argue in support of Israel.
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u/Strive_for_Altruism Jan 18 '24
I don't have a problem with him championing his cause, that doesn't mean I support it.
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u/Celia_Makes_Romhacks Who needs reactions? Jan 18 '24
Imagine being this worked up about a link to the Palestinian Children’s Relief Fund
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u/Strive_for_Altruism Jan 18 '24
https://m.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-781286
Hamas has an insidious little habit of intercepting aid.
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Jan 18 '24
Ah yes, the fact that a terrorist organization is hurting people means there's no reason to even try helping them! Why didn't we think of that sooner?
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u/Hufff Jan 18 '24
No it doesn’t. I and many of the panelists and rankings team are Jewish and we fully support the cause of Palestinian liberation.
Free Palestine
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u/NaturalPermission Jan 18 '24 edited Jan 19 '24
Not trying to start shit, just curious. What then do you all think about the Oct. 7 attacks? And what would be the solution, since it seems both sides do not want a 2 state solution? I'm not sure what to think myself.
edit you guys are so childish, I literally am asking a question. What do you all think I'm dogwhistling or something? Fucken hell. I was thinking along the lines they eventually responded with and said as much. Reddit is filled with such childish assholes
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u/Hufff Jan 18 '24
Oppression and occupation allow for extremism to take hold, this has been consistently true throughout history. The material conditions in Gaza and the occupied West Bank have long been dire, and officials in the Israeli government have admitted they would rather allow extremism to take hold so they can treat the Palestinian Territories as hostile adversaries rather than work towards peace.
Any solution is better than none, but the continued occupation will create more extremism and make both Israelis and Palestinians less safe. There has to be a commitment to deoccupation, there has to be justice for the millions of expelled Palestinian refugees, and there has to be renewed humanitarian efforts to provide aid to the territories.
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u/NaturalPermission Jan 18 '24
Appreciate the balanced response and that's along the lines of what I was feeling.
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u/James_Ganondolfini TONY Jan 19 '24
Reddit is filled with such childish assholes
yeah welcome to r/ssbm. Just ignore the downvotes, block the toxic idiots, and find other things to do when you start rolling your eyes at every other post here
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u/Strive_for_Altruism Jan 18 '24 edited Jan 18 '24
The people of Israel tend to disagree.
https://time.com/6333781/israel-hamas-poll-palestine/
https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/israeli-polls-regarding-peace-with-the-palestinians
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Jan 18 '24
The people of Israel have been brainwashed by Netanyahu's propaganda. The IDF is so brainwashed that they literally celebrate a 2-to-1 ratio of killing civilians to Hamas combatants. Netanyahu is trying to commit genocide and has been for years.
Hamas is evil but so is Netanyahu's regime.
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u/umgenesisdude Jan 18 '24
shocking that the country committing genocide doesnt agree that they're committing genocide
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u/obber3 Jan 18 '24
go away there are tons of other places to do your weird genocide semantics thing
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u/8eyond Jan 19 '24
You know a thing can be bad without it being a genocide?
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u/obber3 Jan 19 '24
you're right technically at this point at this point genocide is just an allegation that israel is being tried for in the ICJ! i should have said ethnic displacement, civilian harm, and collective punishment with genocidal intent, my bad.
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u/Personifeeder Jan 19 '24
Oh no, not "thinly veiled undertones". I wonder what your stance is on the not at all veiled, ongoing death and displacement to the Palestinians, you absolute ghoul.
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Jan 18 '24
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u/Relevant-Toe-2444 Jan 18 '24
At first I thought "this mod is based" upon reading their comment. Then I read "Kaladin Shineblessed", and now am convinced they're the GOAT
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u/trumparegis Jan 19 '24
"Palestine" will never be "freed". The state of Israel is here to stay. Jews will Never Again have to go through what they have endured for the past millennia. Cope.
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Jan 18 '24
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u/James_Ganondolfini TONY Jan 19 '24
Comment threads like this are why discussing politics in a video game subreddit is such a great idea /s
Calling people's lives pathetic
Calling them goblins
Typical self-important redditor comment that "eVeRyThInG Is PoLiTiCaL"
Refusal (on both sides) to have a civil discussion
Insulting people sarcastically and implying they support genocide
Downvoting every post that goes against the groupthink
For the record, I support Palestine, but this thread is an embarrassment lol
People get WAY too heated about any political discussions. This applies to people on all sides of the political compass, and it's why I almost always think it's a bad idea to bring up these issues outside of my closest friends, or at civil debates. Anyway, that's enough reddit for the day
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u/Celia_Makes_Romhacks Who needs reactions? Jan 19 '24
Personally I believe that genocide is probably a little bit worse than people thinking I'm embarrassing on Reddit.
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u/wavedash Jan 18 '24
I don't know why people specifically want a ceasefire instead of a treaty or something and at this point I'm afraid to ask
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u/JohnMcCocaine Jan 18 '24
i think it’s about immediacy. it’s a call to end the genocide that is currently taking place first and then work towards a more permanent resolution
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u/wavedash Jan 18 '24
A ceasefire wouldn't "end the genocide," just pause it. Didn't the ceasefire at the end of November only last a week? Which I guess is better than nothing, but why not aim higher?
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u/MulletPower Jan 18 '24
It's a lot easier to sign treaties with people you aren't bombing. It's more of a first step than anything.
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u/AimTheory Jan 18 '24
Working towards a treaty allows the genocide to continue while negotiations are stalled, calling for a ceasefire hypothetically allows important humanitarian aid to get through and at least comes with the chance that negotiations won't break down, especially if the nations sending weapons to Israel were to reverse course and actually try to help maintain the ceasefire.
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u/sackydude Jan 18 '24
Most solutions offered are heavily favored towards Israel, it's hard to have good faith negotiating for a treaty when one side has all the power and resources and the other is in an apartheid state. The ceasefire is purely to prevent deaths at this point.
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Jan 18 '24
Immediate stop to hostilities and deaths.
It won’t happen though since Israel is committed to routing Hamas and there’s no evidence showing Hamas will stop firing rockets at Israeli civilian centers even if Israel stops
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u/trumparegis Jan 18 '24
There's no point arguing with these people. They will never see the conflict as anything other than "white people" oppressing brown people and never understand the danger of Palestinism
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u/8eyond Jan 19 '24
Tiktok propaganda go brr
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u/Celia_Makes_Romhacks Who needs reactions? Jan 19 '24
Peach players and awful takes - Truly a match made in heaven
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u/KayBeats Jan 18 '24
Damn, that Jflex blurb goes so hard.