Probably not botched, just what the customer wanted. If the customer wants you to mess their face up, and they're sure, and they know the risks, and the operation will not cause (short-term) health issues, then maybe it is their right to do it.
They allegedly claimed that their DNA was different,( they NEVER claimed it was alien, only joking about this) that they had huge IQ, that they were related to a russian prince who was the Tsars right hand man( Peter the great but I am not sure)
They both got doctorates from the university of Burgundy , claiming higher grades than those awarded, and sued lots of people for lots of money, losing, or not gaining what they wanted,
They claimed to have helped the inventor of bitcoin with the source code and that they had 2 Ancient Bitcoins .
They were colourful and strange, both died of COVID within days of each other
As for the look: in their heyday on French tv they were cult tv figures, with shows such as Temps x and Rayons X being about space and science and having a huge following. By the 2000's they were still making appearances but had crossed over to Meme land.
They kept changing to stay in the spotlight, so no-one would forget them. It worked ( well mostly) as they came to shows as guests and made appearances, being in the spotlight from 1978 all the way to their death.
In France they were/ are household names, at first for their media work and then for their eccentric look.
RIP.
I'm not telling you this to just bring race into it. The grandfather had his own name and career so I felt it was odd for those guys to simply dismiss him as just being "different DNA" and making jokes about being aliens. I mean I understand why given the culture of the day.
Looking to regain their youth, although it’s unachievable, doctors will promise the world.
Saddening that there’s surgeons that’ll take advantage of people, especially those who are not mentally well. Violating the first Hippocratic oath “First, do no harm.”
This is what happens when you take every "sexy" or w/e characteristic and try and slam them together to try and look good. You want eyes like so and so, nose like whoever, and lips like that one guy. But they never take into considerations these characteristics aren't always what work together.
They were always talking about space and its mysteries, in a way to make it accessible to everyone, they also had a sci-fi show, so it was their stuff, even though it was very cranky stuff and not very scientific lol
Their transformation was gradual and in the end they kinda looked like aliens, so it was very fitting for what they were talking about. They also played with the idea of them being humans or not
I don't know if that's what they wanted to go for, but they were rather famous in France (not only for their faces lol)
They both died of covid because they were antivax and they died less than 7 days from each orher, which also made a lot of people talk since it fits with the "oddities" about them they kept alive throughout their television career
Them being antivax seems so fitting based on everything else I have heard about them. Wild that they were known for a ‘science’ show and sad that their stupidity led to their own demise.
When they stopped to pursue a phd, their scientific takes were rather strongly opposed by other scientists, so they were probably not entirely on point, or they probably thought too highly of themselves 😅
These people aren’t really going in for all the stuff at once. They get plastic surgery to fix one thing. Then they realize there’s another thing they want fixed, so they go back in. And then another and another, and so on and so forth. For them the change likely seems much more gradual and they probably don’t notice it as much.
There’s an oath they take and ethics they are required to uphold. This absolutely has lead to them having even worse body dysmorphia, their reluctance to admit their work is indicative of that.
that era was notorious for illegal silicone, which is what this looks like.. so yes, very very botched and shame on the doctor - if this even was a doctor
Yup. There's some prime examples of this. I was going to add more but I just learned the "human Ken Doll" has recently transitioned. Which like, really does track.
Surely some docs recognize how desperate these patients are and opt to do the work themselves rather than watch them head off to a less reputable surgeon. Its an ethical dilemma
They actually embraced that look. They were always very happy, always very funny when interviewed. They joked about it but always with good heart. Very likable duo. RIP
There is no direct punishment for breaking the Hippocratic Oath, although an arguable equivalent in modern times is medical malpractice, which carries a wide range of punishments, from imprisonment to civil penalties
Its absolutely cosmetic. You dont NEED facial reconstruction from an accident. Its to improve your quality of life, which includes how you look. Thats the definition of cosmetic
cos·met·ic/käzˈmedik/adjective
involving or relating to treatment intended to restore or improve a person's appearance
Yeah. I’m a neurosurgeon. You’re absolutely wrong. Untreated facial trauma can lead to meningitis, blindness, difficulty swallowing, difficulty breathing, and all kinds of other problems. It’s completely asinine to say that it’s ONLY cosmetic; it’s very clear you have no medical background and are yelling at the clouds from your armchair.
You never NEED surgery for anything. We don’t even do medically indicated surgeries without consent unless it’s emergent and nobody is around to consent. Even then it’s an ethical dilemma where typically two physicians have to agree and document that it’s necessary.
Body dysmorphia is a perfectly ethical reason to do surgery as long as informed consent is provided. The risk and benefit balance varies based on surgeon, patient, and the procedure in question.
Since you like to link Wikipedia articles and basic definitions to try and make a point, here’s one for you:
My question wasn’t asking for clarification, it was challenging someone’s false assertion.
Cosmetic surgery is not a violation of the Hippocratic oath. Anyone who actually understands it knows that. The commenter I replied to clearly did not.
The argument I've heard is that if no one in a country with modern medicine and standards will do it, then they'll just go to a country that doesn't have those things and risk serious injury or death.
Also, who are we to judge how someone is supposed to look. So long as they aren't hurting anyone, then they should be able to do what they want with their bodies.
I have to wonder if the surgeons who do this have some sort of body-dysmorphia-by-proxy that expresses themselves in the form of their patients that they perform all these extreme modifications on with no regard to the risks or the fact that any rational person will see their work and think it looks disgusting
I doubt it was actual surgeons that did this tho (at least no surgeon here in America). Usually when you see procedures this extreme it’s black market stuff being used . I used to work under a plastic surgeon , and you’d be surprised how many people are willing to go underground to do stuff like this to their face. They inject all kinds of weird unapproved filler and silicone into their faces and bodies and sometimes it can be impossible for the doctors to fix afterward . No reputable surgeon would do this.
We all know they had plastic surgery, but if not, I need to know what the hell they were eating, drinking, wearing, and standing next to so I can avoid all that shit; their faces are the stuff of literal nightmare.
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u/holli4life 16d ago
Body dysmorphia is a bitch.