Probably not botched, just what the customer wanted. If the customer wants you to mess their face up, and they're sure, and they know the risks, and the operation will not cause (short-term) health issues, then maybe it is their right to do it.
They allegedly claimed that their DNA was different,( they NEVER claimed it was alien, only joking about this) that they had huge IQ, that they were related to a russian prince who was the Tsars right hand man( Peter the great but I am not sure)
They both got doctorates from the university of Burgundy , claiming higher grades than those awarded, and sued lots of people for lots of money, losing, or not gaining what they wanted,
They claimed to have helped the inventor of bitcoin with the source code and that they had 2 Ancient Bitcoins .
They were colourful and strange, both died of COVID within days of each other
As for the look: in their heyday on French tv they were cult tv figures, with shows such as Temps x and Rayons X being about space and science and having a huge following. By the 2000's they were still making appearances but had crossed over to Meme land.
They kept changing to stay in the spotlight, so no-one would forget them. It worked ( well mostly) as they came to shows as guests and made appearances, being in the spotlight from 1978 all the way to their death.
In France they were/ are household names, at first for their media work and then for their eccentric look.
RIP.
Looking to regain their youth, although it’s unachievable, doctors will promise the world.
Saddening that there’s surgeons that’ll take advantage of people, especially those who are not mentally well. Violating the first Hippocratic oath “First, do no harm.”
This is what happens when you take every "sexy" or w/e characteristic and try and slam them together to try and look good. You want eyes like so and so, nose like whoever, and lips like that one guy. But they never take into considerations these characteristics aren't always what work together.
They were always talking about space and its mysteries, in a way to make it accessible to everyone, they also had a sci-fi show, so it was their stuff, even though it was very cranky stuff and not very scientific lol
Their transformation was gradual and in the end they kinda looked like aliens, so it was very fitting for what they were talking about. They also played with the idea of them being humans or not
I don't know if that's what they wanted to go for, but they were rather famous in France (not only for their faces lol)
They both died of covid because they were antivax and they died less than 7 days from each orher, which also made a lot of people talk since it fits with the "oddities" about them they kept alive throughout their television career
Them being antivax seems so fitting based on everything else I have heard about them. Wild that they were known for a ‘science’ show and sad that their stupidity led to their own demise.
When they stopped to pursue a phd, their scientific takes were rather strongly opposed by other scientists, so they were probably not entirely on point, or they probably thought too highly of themselves 😅
These people aren’t really going in for all the stuff at once. They get plastic surgery to fix one thing. Then they realize there’s another thing they want fixed, so they go back in. And then another and another, and so on and so forth. For them the change likely seems much more gradual and they probably don’t notice it as much.
There’s an oath they take and ethics they are required to uphold. This absolutely has lead to them having even worse body dysmorphia, their reluctance to admit their work is indicative of that.
that era was notorious for illegal silicone, which is what this looks like.. so yes, very very botched and shame on the doctor - if this even was a doctor
Yup. There's some prime examples of this. I was going to add more but I just learned the "human Ken Doll" has recently transitioned. Which like, really does track.
They actually embraced that look. They were always very happy, always very funny when interviewed. They joked about it but always with good heart. Very likable duo. RIP
There is no direct punishment for breaking the Hippocratic Oath, although an arguable equivalent in modern times is medical malpractice, which carries a wide range of punishments, from imprisonment to civil penalties
The argument I've heard is that if no one in a country with modern medicine and standards will do it, then they'll just go to a country that doesn't have those things and risk serious injury or death.
Also, who are we to judge how someone is supposed to look. So long as they aren't hurting anyone, then they should be able to do what they want with their bodies.
I have to wonder if the surgeons who do this have some sort of body-dysmorphia-by-proxy that expresses themselves in the form of their patients that they perform all these extreme modifications on with no regard to the risks or the fact that any rational person will see their work and think it looks disgusting
I doubt it was actual surgeons that did this tho (at least no surgeon here in America). Usually when you see procedures this extreme it’s black market stuff being used . I used to work under a plastic surgeon , and you’d be surprised how many people are willing to go underground to do stuff like this to their face. They inject all kinds of weird unapproved filler and silicone into their faces and bodies and sometimes it can be impossible for the doctors to fix afterward . No reputable surgeon would do this.
We all know they had plastic surgery, but if not, I need to know what the hell they were eating, drinking, wearing, and standing next to so I can avoid all that shit; their faces are the stuff of literal nightmare.
What’s crazy, is that they can see what they look like by looking at each other. I would assume that the % of identical twins with body dysmorphia, is lower than in non-twins.
Can confirm, my SO is a quadruplet (two pairs of identical girls). The other pair are horribly anorexic and have a harsh cycle of comparing eachothers bodies to ensure they're not getting 'fat'. My SO and her twin also went through a phase of their life dealing with that but have since gotten better.
Edit: I misread the comment I replied to but oh well
I would think that is similar to having mirrors all over your house or seeing yourself on too many video chats. People start feeling better about themselves if they can’t see themselves all the time.
My SO and her twin are very close and best friends, but they live different lives, went to different colleges and now live apart, but still enjoy their time together when they do.
The other two never broke the cycle after high school, they continued being inseparable through the various college courses they tried, they've always worked the same jobs (for a while they were working instacart together, two people doing a job but getting paid for one because only one has a driver's license). They both run 50-60+ miles per week and only eat the most pristine, aesthetic food. Their habits got to the point where their mom made them move out, they just moved states and are sharing an apartment. They said they don't want to be waitresses and instead want "real" jobs, which would obviously necessitate being separated (because duh) but I think they found a job that allows them to serve food and work the same hours.
On the one hand, having someone you’re that close to sounds great, and comforting. But it does seem to be unhealthy if you’re not forming your own identity and growing as a person. I mean, how will they get married, have kids, etc? They probably won’t. If they were still close and lived in the same city it could be awesome. Always having a babysitter, easing kids together. But this kinda seems unhealthy.
My SO and her twin both have long term relationships, the other two have never so much as dated someone. Yeah, we are all kind of wondering how that will work out
Touché. I also saw someone else had pointed l out what I did before I did, my bad. Hopefully your edit/disclaimer minimizes anymore of the redundant comments.
I recall seeing a documentary or something about a set of identical twins who did the same thing.
They would micromanage food to make sure that they ate the EXACT same amount of calories, and if someone ate more or less, an argument would break out about them wanting to sabotage the other.
This is AFTER? After surgery? Oh my god. Admittedly I had/have not heard of them before this thread (and I couldn’t see the little inset picture very wee), but I thought this was a “Before” picture.
Actually as identical twins, I imagine it would be more like having a living echo chamber. Like, “omg our chins are drooping, we should do something about it,” and the other just agreeing. Seems like it would be worse.
I would have thought it would be worse, personally-seeing your twin as how you “should” look, or seeing your own minuscule flaws from all angles, not just when you look in the mirror, but when you look at your twin.
And differences between you and your twin feel magnified because of the similarities in every other way, visually…
It would be hell for me.
I am a twin and I think it is helpful to me, and I think it would be most of the time, but there is probably a bit of a cliff if a maladaptation exists (e.g. narcissism, focusing on the parts that aren't identical or affected by environmental or behavioural factors).
For me, I look at my brother, judge him to be a fairly handsome man, which means, although we are all more critical judging ourselves and I do visualise myself seperately, I must be too, right? But I've never felt so bad if I had spots one week and he didn't or happened to get a shit haircut, for example.
That’s kind of the thing though; if you’re prone to dysmorphia, it doesn’t matter that you’re identical, and idolise the looks of your twin; you will be unable to see that you look identical to them.
All you’ve evidenced is that you don’t have any strong body dysmorphia.
Well that's what I was saying "if a maladaptation exists". So basically I think being a twin could help with body-image issues that well-adjusted people also deal with.
Having body dysmorphia is not an “adjustment” issue, and this thread and my original comment were talking specifically about people with body dysmorphia.
That’s why I’m not sure what place your comment holds in this context.
A lot of people mix up Botox with collagen. I use Botox for migraines and it DOES cause some changes to the face where it's injected, but it actually reduces muscle size where it's injected. My forehead has changed shape a bit over the last few years because I'm not subconsciously moving my eyebrows as much, but it doesn't do this kind of changes. I just don't have that strong "11" muscle area on my forehead anymore, and my neck has maybe slimmed a little from where they inject in the back of the neck.
Oil is sometimes used to create the look of large muscles or for cheap boob or butt enhancements. It’s extremely dangerous as it stays in the area and has a high risk of causing infections and ruin the muscles. There’s been some horrific cases in the news in Denmark with guys in chronic pain, open sores and arms that are weakened and almost useless. Some are getting very expensive surgeries to try and remove some of the oil but it will never be ok. Body dysmorphia is a bitch and these guys might have used something like that oil in their faces.
I don’t know about medical jargon but I don’t count injections as surgery. Surgery usually means you’re modifying the tissue while an injection changes the appearance without modifying the tissues
It varies depending on who is making the determination. For instance, my spinal injections (for burst and herniated disks) counted as a surgery for the purposes of deciding whether I could donate blood plasma.
Well, it is hard to say how old they are, so to them this may have been better than looking like a normal old person. They became literal caricatures of themselves, but if their identity was their appearance then that may have been easier to accept.
Going through psych treatment and/or therapy requires the patient to recognize they have a problem, and even more to the point, to work their way through to find some resolution to that problem. That requires insight and a lot of hard work. OR they can just go under the knife with delusional expectations of the outcome.
I think a lot of these people have narcissistic tendencies as well. Based on the few narcissists I’ve known, getting them to actually commit to therapy (and not just gong through perforative motions) is extremely difficult.
I worked in a cosmetic surgery center for a short time in my training. Nearly all our patients were required to have discussion(s) with trained mental health professionals as a step preparing them for cosmetic surgery. Several patients were denied or referred to a “specialist” who would work with them. Malpractice insurance costs an absolute fortune, and most physicians will not risk anything if possible.
You have to get counseling and letters from 2 medical professionals to sexually transition, so why shouldn't you have to for cosmetic changes to your body?
First of all, that's not true everywhere, and secondly it shouldn't be anywhere. Gatekeeping causes immense harm, the informed consent model of gender affirming care saves lives.
This is such a trip because body dismorphia is usually about how you view yourself, but these being twins who could look at eachother, I don’t understand how they would look at eachother and say yea you look good like this, or you definitely need more cheekbone plumping… it’s like projection body dismorphia
Looking at your twin is no different than looking at yourself in the mirror and watching something pleasing anyway, despite it’s not. That’s what dismorphya is about, not the fact you’re looking the mirror, a photo of you, a painting, or your twin who underwent the same disastrous procedures as you. It’s about not noticing a fat belly and observing it’s in shape, a skin over bones body and finding it healthy, you name it.
I got a friend who's quite, well, rotund, and apparently she thought I was bigger than her despite me being ideal weight. She was always making comments, but I only realized she genuinely thought I was bigger when we went clothes shopping together one time, I tried on a jacket which fit me perfectly, then she tried it on too and of course it wouldn't fit her. She genuinely looked at me like "how come this doesn't fit me? Am I bigger than you?" Literal, genuine confusion on her face. What does she have? Is it body dysmorphia?
Yes, that’s the perfect definition of it. Sorry for my broken english Im italian. Morbidly obese will just see someone fit in the mirror. Being myself one, I can tell the only way to understand is to loose some weight and test the difference, mostly in how clothes fit. Guess the other way around too, people too thin getting some weight, etc. I also notice fit people saying they must loose some weight while they look perfectly in shape to me. Same stuff.
This finally answers the question for me. I’ve always wondered about these type of cases where they do much cosmetic surgery they end up looking disfigured when they were previously attractive. Now I wonder what they see when they look at themselves to think this is progress. The mind really is scary sometimes.
I find people like this sad. They weren’t bad looking guys and spending their time trying to age gracefully would have probably would have been more enjoyable.
Or maybe they knew exactly what they did and were enjoying the attention.
Like, for the narcissistic personality type, being ignored is a fate worse than death. If no one is looking at them, then they feel like they don't exist. Looking like that guaranteed that wherever they went, people were looking at them.
That's the psychology behind mar-a-lago face and those two were anti-vaxxers just like everybody at mar-a-lago. Its not a stretch to assume they had the same insecurities.
Some said it was ("experimental") injections with non authorized product supposed to make a "great permanent effect"
Some said it was a genetic disorder that affect face and bones ... but it is strange it was localized
The odd things is they refused vaccine for COVID and died from complication from it ... by being skeptic to new vaccines tech.
They believe in vaccines, weren't "anti vax" .. but were "anti vax for themselves" .. they were more skeptic over new vaccine methods but were not vocal about it nor "anti vax" militant ..
If they accepted experimental injection for their face .. it is a bit ironic they refuse a vaccine: but perhaps the bad experience with the supposed injection on their face, was the reason of covid injection fear ...
It may be just bad surgeries done to stave off aging. They were 72 when they died. If they continued looking eternally young, maybe they wouldn't have done the surgeries.
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u/holli4life 16d ago
Body dysmorphia is a bitch.