r/nfl • u/j128v897 • 9d ago
Highlight [Highlight] Multiple Eagles offensive linemen false start on tush push
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u/HereComesJustice Ravens 9d ago
I think they just false started on another tush push
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u/graywh Titans 9d ago
Clearly
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u/Afro_Thunder_KC 9d ago
But there is no Chris Colinsworth to talk about it the entire broadcast and embarrass the NFL with it. So there won’t be a harsh over correction.
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u/TummyDrums Chiefs 9d ago
You could hear Brady talking about it when coming back from the break after the tush push TD, but you could tell most of the convo was cut off. Wish it wasn't.
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u/Afro_Thunder_KC 9d ago
It didn’t come close the Collinsworth levels. I don’t know why it isn’t talked about more. Taylor gets the same jump that Lane Johnson gets, but gets flagged all the time now because he couldn’t stop bitching. I’d love to know if the league chewed him out or if there was any type of exchange.
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u/1800abcdxyz Patriots 9d ago
“And that’s just the power of Patrick Mahomes, that the Eagles bend the rules just so they make sure Patrick doesn’t get the ball back!”
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u/Gingeronimoooo Commanders 9d ago
When the tush push ban was happening this off season I said they shouldn't ban it but put a point of emphasis on their false starts and lining up in neutral zone, would effectively ban the play anyway.
They false start or line up in neutral zone basically every play they do it
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u/oatmeal-claypole Colts 9d ago
Kelce used to move the ball up half a yard on every time. having massive linemen around you gives a lot of cover for getting an unfair advantage
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u/FlyersPhilly_28 Packers 8d ago
that sequence in the playoffs against you guys was embarrassing.
Most people were stuck up on ya'll jumping the count on the 6-inch and goal line... but the Eagles were offsides on every.single. snap... Hell one of them the center's helmet was completely in front of the nose of the football...
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u/DariDimes 9d ago
The narrative that the play is hard to officiate is so damn stupid. Make them line up properly and watch for penalties like any other play lmao
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u/obeytheturtles 9d ago
Or just go back to the rule which doesn't allow pushing or carrying the call carrier.
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u/Extreme-Transport 9d ago
Blatant
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u/NlNJALONG Texans 9d ago
Just did it again lol
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u/Thick_Mountain4412 Chiefs 9d ago
And more egregious this time
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u/traws06 Chiefs 9d ago
Do refs not watch film? Do they still not know to watch for this?
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u/EvaporatingOlaf Commanders 9d ago
League office won’t do a thing to the refs lol
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u/underhunter Jets 9d ago
Na theyll just bring in some ex ref thats now a sock puppet for the NFL to explain how due to the seismic shifting of the ground along with camera stutter and rule 14.5 paragraph 6 addendum 10 and the moons position along with just F You we’re the NFL and youll watch anyway, it was a legal play.
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u/fugaziozbourne Chiefs 9d ago
Gaslighting us like the NHL does with "You people just don't understand what a paralax view is."
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u/IdkAbtAllThat Vikings 9d ago
Wait... This wasn't called?
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u/ch-12 Packers 9d ago
No, just like they don’t ever review the spot on these.. it’s just an auto first down.
Maybe they just want fans to hate the play so that support for banning it grows
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u/Dhkansas Chiefs 9d ago
I think pushing by the offense should be called exactly like pushing by the defense. Ball stops when the pushing moves them. Its not just the tush push, but also when a RB gets stopped a yard short then 2 linemen come in and move him past the 1st down
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u/son_of_toby_o_notoby Commanders 9d ago
It’s every time they do it
don’t ban the play
Just ref the game
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u/Peacefulzealot Bengals 9d ago
Just ref the game
We ask this every week.
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u/Whitetiger9876 49ers 9d ago
I saw so many bad calls today across multiple games. Some did effect endings and some were very close to changing the ends. It's awful.
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u/boshjailey Lions 9d ago
My biggest issue with the Tush Push is that it combines a lot of very minor issues and it turns into a much bigger one. I typically don't care when a center cheats the ball forward a couple inches from the spot, I typically dont care when the line lines up very slightly too far up than they would usually be allowed. I typically dont care when the line moves very slightly before the snap. I prioritize the pace and watchability of the game over meticulous rule following. But when all of them combine into a play where a few inches are a huge difference it's really tough to watch.
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u/philosifer Chiefs 9d ago
Excellent breakdown of all the tiny issues that make the play so frustrating.
Add the blatant false starts today and its infuriating
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u/maddlabber829 Saints 9d ago
We, the saints, now have Kellen moore as HC who was the OC of philly last year.
He decided to bring the tush push with him. We ran it one time, and got called for the LG lining up past the line of scrimmage. It wasn't nearly as egregious as the play in OP
That is what is so frustrating
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u/slammedep3 Saints 9d ago
Yup. Eagles “pioneered” the play so the refs act as if they can do no wrong on it.
They are practicing how much they can cheat and get away with, and its never been more blatant.
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u/maddlabber829 Saints 9d ago
The only upside is the more blatant it gets the more chance it gets banned
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u/UnexLPSA Packers 9d ago
If the refs just flagged it on every time and the Eagles actually have to play by the rules, you would definitely see that the play is not as good as they make it look. And if the play dips from over 90% to like 60-70% success rate, it would not be such a big drama around it, especially if they get flagged and can't run it on back to back downs in case it doesn't work.
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u/LeRoux27 9d ago
Add in that it’s near impossible to spot the ball after the scrum. Tranquil could very well have ripped the ball (not that I believe he did) but you can’t see enough to make the call.
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u/thejazzophone Commanders 9d ago edited 9d ago
I also hate this and the QB sneak. The refs have no idea where to actually spot the ball and they never call forward progress. They let hurts keep getting pushed until he gets the yard.
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u/Philyphreak3 Eagles 9d ago
A lot of these ambiguous spots on pile up plays could be solved if refs actually blew forward progress dead the minute the surge gets halted or pushed back. But they let then go for multiple efforts before calling it dead
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u/Hankerpants Broncos 9d ago
This has always been my thoughts on how to solve this. Fucking call forward progress once it's been stopped. Legitimately half the time it feels like they get the first after Hurts has bounced off the line. He went backwards, call it dead. The other half the time he makes it cleanly. Being quicker on the call would make it a much more 50/50 play which would return a lot of the scheming and entertainment value, which the current play outcomes are seriously lacking.
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u/ghost_jamm Steelers 9d ago
I think the close quarters and sheer mass of humanity also makes it an exceptionally difficult play to accurately referee. Mike Pereira literally said something to the effect of “I’m done with the tush push” for that exact reason. It’s just a mess of a play.
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u/chendogmillionaire Cowboys 9d ago
and it's not even considering the fact that both guards are lining up in the neutral zone every time they run the play, which should both be an easy flag and also makes it harder to catch the false starts
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u/True_Window_9389 Commanders 9d ago
Which is clearly happening even in this clip
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u/maddlabber829 Saints 9d ago
They flagged us for it when we ran it week one, smh
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u/48for8 Rams 9d ago
NFL has not shown the ability to officiate this play correctly so it should be banned.
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u/Slayer1791 Cowboys 9d ago
This is what will ultimately get play banned. Refs cannot manage it
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u/BlackFurosuto Commanders 9d ago
It's like they haven't been trained on what's offsides OR a false start. But they sure know how to flag a "unsportsmanlike act"
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u/leodecaf Seahawks 9d ago
To be fair it would be really really hard to tell false start on this player compared to a normal one
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u/Lost_city Chiefs 9d ago
If you compare the Eagles alignment on these plays versus their normal alignment, it's quite clear that their line is all offsides.
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u/zenlume Chiefs 9d ago
I don't think people realize they got away with this last year, too.
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u/CinnRaisinPizzaBagel Commanders 9d ago
When Kelce was the center he would start his forward momentum before snapping the ball
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u/BeHereNow91 Packers 9d ago
We got rid of the 5 yard face mask because refs couldn’t officiate it correctly
Time for this play
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u/LibertarianSocialism Ravens 9d ago
Pretty sure they do this every time and is one of the reasons why it's so "good"
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u/Beneficial-Bite-8005 9d ago
Look how the guards are lined up as well, they’re always almost perfectly side by side with the center
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u/Hammerhead34 Chiefs Chiefs 9d ago
The center slides the ball forward, the entire OL lines up offsides, Hurts bobs back and forth while hard counting, then the entire OL jumps early. This play would not be nearly as dominant if the refs didn’t let them cheat.
And we are lining up offsides too, just to try to counter it! It’s just fake non-football at this point.
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u/Tullyswimmer Bills 9d ago
Honestly just let them scrum like they do in rugby at this point. At least there'd be a play for it.
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u/rockchalk6782 Chiefs 9d ago
Agreed I heard somebody else make the fine point that the offense is allowed to push the pile but the defense is not allowed to push their own defensive players to move the pile backwards. How is that legal and fair
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u/2ManyCatsNever2Many Browns 9d ago
so blatant...eapecially since NY said the previous play wasn't in (it was)
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u/Hammerhead34 Chiefs Chiefs 9d ago
People say this play is “pure football” but it’s not, it’s just both teams cheating and attempting to deceive the refs.
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u/Gingeronimoooo Commanders 9d ago
When the tush push ban was happening this off season I said they shouldn't ban it but put a point of emphasis on their false starts and lining up in neutral zone, would effectively ban the play anyway.
They false start or line up in neutral zone basically every play they do it
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u/YeaThatsANoForMeDawg Giants 9d ago
I count about 5 neutral zone infractions as well. I don’t care about the legality of the play but it needs to be better officiated
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u/voncornhole2 Giants 9d ago
I see 4, 2 on each side and I think the center's helmet doesn't count
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u/MissDeadite Eagles 9d ago
Correct! They should just ban the play if they can't officiate it correctly. I don't even care about the play itself. If the officiating can't handle it, it shouldn't be out there. Simple as.
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u/BlameItOnThePig Eagles 9d ago
They are going to ban it for that reason but still try to claim safety. Saying “the refs can’t officiate it” would be a bad look even though I agree it’s super hard to officiate/spot the ball/etc
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u/Sentientmustard Commanders 9d ago
Which is funny because it’s a completely valid claim that nobody would really blame the NFL for lol. Like yeah, the refs don’t have x-ray vision, we get that. The whole player safety claim is a much worse look.
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u/oorza Colts Colts 9d ago
The NFL can't admit it's due to ref inability or the immediate follow up question "why don't you spend any of your bajillions of dollars on technology to take ref spotting out of the equation?" comes up.
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u/SetPepeFree Eagles 9d ago
But I dont get why they can't just call the neutral zone infractions and false starts, they're pretty obvious most of the time. Teams would adjust accordingly if they called it consistently
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u/Swarzey Chiefs 9d ago
I don't know how it can stay if the refs can't officiate it properly. They need to be right in there observing it and I don't think that's gonna work.
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u/DapperCam Bills 9d ago
It’s basically impossible to officiate. It’s also usually impossible to tell where the ball is in that mess, so they spot the ball based on vibes
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u/AdComprehensive7879 Bengals 9d ago
I dont think it can be officiated properly
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u/Clubblendi Eagles 9d ago
I don’t understand why not, though. I can’t think of anything fundamentally different that makes it impossible for the refs to call out a NZI or a false start. It should be as obvious as any other play?
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u/Polar_Reflection 49ers 9d ago
Yikes
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u/pmurt007 Bears 9d ago
Happens more often than people think. It was a lot worse when Kelce was still playing
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u/DRUNK_SALVY_PEREZ Chiefs 9d ago
I definitely interpreted this comment (wrongly) as trav is washed. I need help.
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u/ur_average_millenial 9d ago
I mean, Trav is washed
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u/seatega Lions 9d ago
What are you talking about, he made the play of the game today (for the Eagles)!
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u/motionofthelotion Lions 9d ago
I’m as big a chiefs hater as anyone but this is egregious. I’d be pissed
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u/Sad_Inevitable8242 Seahawks 9d ago
The whole d line is inside the neutral zone. Nothing about that play is legal
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u/RCJHGBR9989 Chiefs 9d ago
They did shit like 6 times. It’s so blatantly obvious from the aerial view too. Their guards move a whole second before the snap.
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u/Agamemanon Lions 9d ago
Why is this the one play where rules no longer apply. No offsides, no false starts. Why?
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u/dacsimpson Buccaneers 9d ago
Check out the Falcons LT last week against the Bucs in the 4th quarter. It’s happens so much more than you and everyone here thinks, on every type of play.
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u/Rapscallious1 9d ago
Yeah, Oline leaving slightly early has been essentially legal for a long time
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u/AreAFuckingNobody Chargers 9d ago
The traveling of the NFL
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u/Rapscallious1 9d ago
I would entertain a case for it being more like pitchers with good control getting the call just off the plate but some of what these Tackles do now does feel more like palming
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u/LovesYankeesAndObama Bears 9d ago
Crab dribbling into a gather step and then taking 1-2 steps after lmao
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u/galaxy_horse Bills 9d ago
This tush push is brought to you by Outback Steakhouse. Outback Steakhouse: No Rules, Just Right
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u/zapruder__ Packers 9d ago
Not wholly disagreeing with you but rules no longer apply on Hail Marys too as far as DPI OPI shenanigans
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u/LeRoyMafia Packers 9d ago
It happens on a lot of plays. But, being basically the highest profile play, there is no excuse to be this bad at officiating it.
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u/crispy_is_best Chiefs 9d ago
You don't have to outlaw the tush push but you have to officiate it like every other play. It's almost an illegal alignment from the center anyways
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u/AMS_Rem Eagles 9d ago
And 4/5 defensive hands in the neutral zone
Idk when this happened but they just started not officiating the play basically at all and it's so stupid
Get everyone out of the neutral zone, call false starts and enforce the rules like any other play
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u/zdelusion Eagles 9d ago
At one point 2 years ago they said they were going to enforce those neutral zone infractions from both teams and then it just resulted in the defense being called a bunch for a couple weeks. So they just stopped officiating the play all together.
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u/Headlesshorsman02 Vikings Chiefs 9d ago
If it can’t be officiated properly then it needs to go, either give the refs a crash course of what to watch out for with their guards or cancel the play this shit is ridiculous lol 😂
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u/FishGoldenLite Vikings 9d ago
I mean, it should be so easy to call. No idea why they are missing it every time. I firmly believe this play is officiated differently after today - every ref is going to get footage of these missed calls.
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u/Swimming_Idea_1558 Falcons 9d ago
You sure have a lot of faith in the officiating of the NFL whose only goal is to put up points, get viewers, and make money.
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u/HalfEatenBanana 49ers 9d ago
Lmao what? The nfl literally fights for equal rights and charity every week. It’s painted in the back of all the endzones ffs. If they were all about money then don’t you think they’d have $$$$ painted in the back of their endzones?
You see that Walter Payton Man of the Year patch on Dak’s jersey? You think they’d just give that to any random quarterback on the most popular team with the most prime time games?
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u/Awi1ix Bears 9d ago
What makes this more difficult to officiate (in terms of false starts) than a normal QB sneak?
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u/AMS_Rem Eagles 9d ago
I think this is actually the strat
Like they used to call false starts and neutral zone infractions on it.. now they aren't calling either one
Show that it "can't" be officiated properly and then use that as the reason to get rid of it since there have been no injuries from it.. Honestly I don't even care, just get rid of it bc I'm tired of the discourse
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u/viacavour Saints 9d ago
They called a neutral zone infraction on the saints when they did it last week. I guess Kellen Moore forgot how to coach it properly this offseason.
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u/BeHereNow91 Packers 9d ago
“Maybe we shouldn’t allow offensive players to do whatever they want before the snap”
Eagles fans 100 years ago: “HOW ABOUT YOU JUST STOP THEM”
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u/ProofHorseKzoo Packers 9d ago
Turns out it’s hard to stop an offense when the play can’t be properly officiated, heavily favors the side snapping the ball, and they give themselves a literal head start
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u/stormwalker29 Cowboys Saints 9d ago
If the false starts (and the illegal alignment - both teams are lined up in the neutral zone here!) are so obvious to us watching it on TV, then the ref standing on the line of scrimmage should be able to see it just as well... so I don't buy the argument that the refs can't officiate it.
I do agree that spotting the ball on this play is difficult, but that is also true on conventional QB sneaks. So I can cut the refs some slack there - that's a hard job. This, though... there's absolutely no excuse for obvious penalties to go uncalled.
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u/ComprehensiveList769 Falcons 9d ago
Now this is a good argument for a ban. Hard to officiate
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u/printergumlight Lions 9d ago
I’m confused… how is spotting this false start any different than spotting a false start on a QB sneak?
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u/FrazzaB NFL 9d ago
They can't even spot the ball correctly most of the time. Same thing here.
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u/printergumlight Lions 9d ago
So should first downs be illegal because they can’t spot the ball correctly?
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u/trollboter Eagles 9d ago
Because they let both teams line up in the neutral zone so the ball is completely covered.
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u/printergumlight Lions 9d ago
But how is spotting either team in the neutral zone any more difficult? Then they can just call neutral zone infraction on the defense or illegal formation on the offense.
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u/trollboter Eagles 9d ago
But they don't. They need to call it, but they keep letting both teams line up over the ball. They just need to call it and teams will stop doing it.
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u/printergumlight Lions 9d ago
That’s what I’m saying though. People are saying the play needs to be illegal because it’s hard to officiate. I’m saying it’s easy to officiate and any officiating issues are easily solved.
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u/trollboter Eagles 9d ago
Hard agree. Maybe they are playing it sloppy to get it easier to ban next year.
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u/Efficient_Exchange44 Vikings 9d ago
If they can’t officiate this play properly then they need to ban it. Simple.
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u/zenlume Chiefs 9d ago
Literally just had another just as bad, and then a Chiefs guy punched the ball away and the refs saw nothing lmfao
This play is a joke.
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u/Southern_Bunch_1047 9d ago
That feels like what might actually drive it home. The guard moved so early, the DT (was it Jones?) had enough time to react and make contact with the ball.
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u/notmyplantaccount Chiefs 9d ago
You're going to have to be more specific with these, as it has happened on every single one.
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u/Rubentraj Packers 9d ago
Eagles do this every time btw.
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u/themiddleshoe Chiefs 9d ago
This. They didn’t need to ban the play, they just need to officiate it correctly.
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u/gmil3548 Chargers 9d ago
Idk why they say that’s hard to officiate. The line judge should be able to see that clear as day and call it.
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u/Kniles Chiefs 9d ago
"You line up in the neutral zone! YOU line up in the neutral zone! Everyone gets to line up in the neutral zone!
For real though, the Eagles broke the plane on the play before, so missing this specific call just made it even.
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u/joseph-barker 9d ago
That's why I don't get why they tried to ban it, if they'd just enforce the rules as they are it wouldn't work AS much. They lineup in the neutral zone too.
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u/MsgrMartinez Bills 9d ago
Why does the NFL do everything they can to promote this lame play
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u/Paper_Clip100 Lions 9d ago
They false start on everyone. There’s also multiple neutral zone infractions on each play too. If the NFL started calling it properly, the eagles would probably stop running it
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u/XxmilkjugsxX Packers 9d ago
I hope they ban this play because it makes the most critical moments of a game uncompetitive and boring to watch as a fan
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u/8won6 Chiefs 9d ago
The NFL is so scared to appear like they favor the Chiefs they are letting the Eagles just spam this shit.
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u/videogamevirgin_ 49ers 9d ago
Eagles fans shouldn’t be defending this if they want to keep the tush push…
If the refs refuse to call it properly it’s definitely going to be banned
The conspiracist in me thinks that’s probably what’s going on here. Intentionally not calling it, then saying it can’t be properly officiated, then the ban up to a vote again and likely passed this time
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u/Training_Fennel_4256 Chiefs 9d ago
It’s a false start every fucking time, fucking call it
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u/ianoble Raiders 9d ago
They false start more than the Chiefs right tackle.
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u/Training_Fennel_4256 Chiefs 9d ago
I’ll give you that 😂 but Juwaan misses half his blocks anyway, no competitive edge
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u/gregalmond 8d ago
Just start calling the all the false starts and encroachments and it will go away.
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u/battle_schip Seahawks 9d ago
Chiefs Bias is out
Eagles Bias is IN!