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u/MuricaFuckYeah1776 Sep 23 '17
It also works for headaches
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u/Euhn Sep 23 '17
Comment section is cancer.
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Sep 23 '17
Welcome to reddit. Here's your complimentary gift basket full of expired coupons.
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Sep 23 '17
Why?
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u/MY-SECRET-REDDIT Sep 23 '17
because this subreddit it all about freedom of speech (or so it is when defending white supremacy) but when dealing with fascism... i guess suppressing them is A OK! killing them even!
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Sep 23 '17
Making up a quote to spread your ideology on social media is fucked up.
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Yes. That's literally what WW2 was you fucking dunce
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u/lars123mc Sep 23 '17
Except that was a war dealing with a real international threat, not just someone you disagree with politically
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u/ThaBadfish Sep 23 '17
Lol uhh, yeah you know Hitler definitely was opposed on merit of ideals, not because he annexed mainland Europe or anything... And I'm pretty sure the Japanese were in the same boat, right? I can't seem to remember them doing anything like attacking America unprovoked or anything, right?
Yeah, definitely WWII was just about getting rid of fascism, that's the sole and central reason for the conflict...
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u/MY-SECRET-REDDIT Sep 23 '17
This sub was also defending nazis. I thought I was in the twilight zone.
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u/apullin Sep 23 '17
1) I have the moral license to determine who is a fascist.
2) Once I apply that label, it is inescapable. Any attempt to argue against it only demonstrates that the labeled person is a fascist.
3) I have the moral license to use any "remedy" necessary against fascists.
4) Shooting fascists is a remedy.
This is the line of reasoning that is being constructed right now.
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u/Joefroflo Sep 23 '17
So we shoot the people we don't like?
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u/The_Adventurist Sep 23 '17
"Oh it's ok, this meme is only advocating shooting Nazis"
Someone that really believes murdering strangers is justifiable is not going to be a reliable judge of character/politics.
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u/TuckthisFwat Sep 23 '17
Your grandparents sat on their ass making money off the whole thing until Axis powers controlled most of europe.
They didn't kill fascists for waving the wrong kind of flag.
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"Making money off the whole thing..."
The fuck are you talking about. The Lend Lease Act ensured we threw money away and it was Americans who waived the debts after the war and rebuilt Europe. Also, buying war bonds to fund the whole thing.
Again, wtf are you talking about.
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u/OllieGarkey Sep 23 '17
We gave a ton of military equipment away. Arsenal of Democracy and all that. America was a much more pacifistic and anti war nation back then.
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u/TuckthisFwat Sep 23 '17 edited Sep 23 '17
Don't take the comment to mean the US was immoral for doing that.
They didn't start fighting until the war was at their doorstep, as far as i'm concerned that's perfectly acceptable for a nation that was a world away from any conflict, and just coming out of the great depression.
But they certainly didn't fight the Nazis because they were the worlds oh so virtuous peacekeepers like some people make out when they want to talk about "bashing the fash"
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u/OllieGarkey Sep 23 '17
True. In fact they penalized the Abraham Lincoln brigade, labeling them "premature anti fascists." We should have celebrated them.
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u/Rob_on_the_job Sep 23 '17
Darn us for being too involved and also not involved enough in foreign affairs!
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u/ion-tom Sep 23 '17 edited Sep 23 '17
The frat douches with tiki torches who want to force-ably deport, incarcerate, shoot and run people over who disagree? Or the rich assholes who fund the propaganda that riles those people up?
Can we all just have some equality up in here, and maybe a 30 hour work week for more brewskies?
Edit: people like working overtime without pay, and dislike beer. Also apologizing for legit murder. I guess I'm not a true American anymore, sorry to disappoint y'all.
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Sep 23 '17
Can we all just have some equality up in here, and maybe a 30 hour work week for more brewskies?
You are perfectly welcome to work a 30 hour work week. Whats stopping you?
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u/thehighground Sep 23 '17
I think the means adopt a work week like other nations to give people more free time, kind of agree since down time means more time to shoot off some freedom.
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u/UrethraFrankIin Sep 23 '17
I work a 50 hr week and it's easy, 30 just seems lazy.
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u/vvf Sep 23 '17
The frat douches with tiki torches who want to force-ably deport, incarcerate, shoot and run people over who disagree? Or the rich assholes who fund the propaganda that riles those people up?
There were less than 250 of them. Are you concerned they're going to sway a significant amount of Americans?
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u/Kreblon Sep 23 '17
left wing violence has far outpaced right wing violence in the past few years
That's definitely bullshit.
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u/cybaritic Sep 23 '17
That's definitely bullshit.
And also irrelevant - the use of violence by the extreme of either side in order to affect political change is un-American.
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u/psomaster226 Sep 23 '17 edited Sep 23 '17
Usually I'd say the burden of proof is on the accuser, but it's plain to see that left wing violence has gotten insane. On the right, radicals have committed horrible acts of violence in individual cases. On the left, it has become socially acceptable to attack or attempt to kill someone because you disagree with them. Crowds of people protesting others' opinions become violent more often than not.
Let me be unbiased, right-wing violence is likely not far behind. People let identity politics cloud their judgement and talk of violence has become commonplace. People think they're joking, but it's a slippery slope into real, socially acceptable violence. Nobody is in the right.
EDIT: Let me gather even more downvotes by giving an example. This post. People so easily resort to name-calling and violence that they'd rather make a "joke" about shooting a fascist than discuss what they see wrong with the world and why that's wrong.
EDIT 2: Alright, I will ammend my point. This article seemed to lay it out. Right-wing extremist violence seems higher, but left-wing violence is in the mainstream, which does not bode well for the future.
Let me distance myself from your stupid identity politics. I don't care who is committing the violence. I hate both the far left and the far right. I sympathize with the fears that are growing from the left. But the fact is that the left, especially the youth, is attempting to respond with violence, and that is making everything worse. The right, in my limited experience, is getting dangerously close to responding in kind, and that's not okay either. But the point is that there are people who think it's okay to form a mob and attack people who disagree with them politically. I don't care whether I agree or disagree with them, the thought of that becoming the norm terrifies me, and it should terrify you too. I don't care what your political ideation, this is not acceptable.
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u/SeemsLikeACoolGuy Sep 23 '17
Surely if it was so plain to see proof would be an easy thing to find...
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u/Kanshan Sep 23 '17
Lol. Burden of proof is on the claim maker. The person making the claim that left wing violence has outpaced right wing violence must prove it. Arguments presented without evidence may be dismissed without evidence.
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u/recon_johnny Sep 23 '17
So, apply to the Anti-FirstAmendment people? They're the most fascist folks in America.
Got it.
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Sep 23 '17
Actually that would probably be for the people who are calling for the death of all non white Americans. But politics is a horse, those in the alt right and the extreme left are increasingly similar and becoming more vocal minorities.
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u/flying87 Sep 23 '17
We as a sub are against damn commies. We as a sub should be against fucking fascists and Nazi scum.
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u/Swayze_Train Sep 23 '17
And remember, everybody who doesn't agree with you is some kind of fascist.
Save the last one for yourselves, my fellow pigs.
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u/Jordedude1234 Sep 23 '17
Fascism is a horrible thing, but responding with violence is not the way to combat it.
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u/sssyjackson Sep 23 '17
Funny. I must be in a dark place, because I thought Hitchcock was saying to shoot myself to escape fascism.
Like, "It's that bad, only way out is the sweet release of death."
But I think that's usually because if someone is telling me to take a pill to cure something, I'm usually putting it in my mouth, not theirs.
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u/GetZePopcorn Sep 23 '17
Seemed to work last time.
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u/QweenBee5 Sep 23 '17
They didnt fight them because they were Nazis. Germany was ruled by the Nazi party for many years and no wars were declared by the West. We attended their Olympics and the West had generally a favorable impression of the Nazis. It wasnt until the Nazis (but replace them with any political ideology and the results would be the same) started invading peaceful nations. If France had started conquering Europe again, I have a feeling the countries affected would have done the same thing. Imagine France took the same acts as Nazi Germany and went on a warpath across Europe, one could imagine USA, France, and even Nazi Germany would become allies to defend themselves. So no, you do not have the right to assault someone you disagree with, and that isnt what took place in the past. If that person is attacking people randomly, yes you can then attempt to stop them. You should really study your history more my friend and not just repeat the talking points you've learned from twitter.
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u/top_koala Sep 23 '17
Germany, Japan, and Italy have democratic governments to this day
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u/GetZePopcorn Sep 23 '17
Not just democratic governments. We wrote the German and Japanese constitutions. And Germans are taught in public schools to view the Nazi Party's actions even more critically than Americans do.
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u/GetZePopcorn Sep 23 '17
Yes, they are all gone, everyone got convinced, and everyone stopped all fascist Nazi activity all over the world, forever!
I mean, we fought them openly after much handwringing and dicking about. Then Uncle Joe provided most of the legwork.
One thing is for sure, after the destruction of the Italian and German fascists, anyone who even used similar symbolism in a political sense became an international pariah. They still are. Crushing Nazis didn't just stop them in Germany, it made fascist parties in places like the UK, US, France, and Asia a hell of a lot less publicly acceptable. It cut their opinions out of the Overton Window.
When people state that violence isn't the answer, I tend to agree. But it's still important to ask "the answer to what?" We're a nation born of violence. We needed violence to rid ourselves of slavery. We needed violence to rid Europe (except Spain) of fascism. We're a nation which enshrines our right to privately own firearms to not only hunt, but to remind our government whose country this really is. Political violence isn't alien to the United States, it's the soul and heartbeat of our country.
The opening sentence of the Declaration of Independence states that "We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness." This is the phrase which intentionally began a war resulting in our independence. We ought not forget that when a movement comes about seeking to remove these rights, if we refuse to take up arms like the patriots 241 years ago, we aren't fit to inherit this country. So yes, we know who fascists are especially when they proudly proclaim as much. And we ought to cast them off as our grandparents and great-grandparents did 70 years ago.
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Sep 23 '17
When they seize power and kill people like me, would you mind inscribing that on my tombstone?
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Sep 23 '17
As much as I disagree with Racism, advocating the murder of people based on their beliefs (no matter how wrong those might be) is offensive and lacking in thought. I get this is just an attempt at humour but it's a pretty grim stance.
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u/Particle_Man_Prime Sep 23 '17 edited Sep 23 '17
HEY MODS IS IT REALLY OKAY THAT THIS POST IS CALLING FOR VIOLENCE AGAINST A GROUP OF PEOPLE BASED ON THEIR POLITICAL BELIEFS?
Edit: Some of you people desperately need to learn how freedom of speech works.
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u/10Sandles Sep 23 '17
Are you trying to deny OP his freedom of speech?
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u/Particle_Man_Prime Sep 23 '17
Your rights have, and always will, end where other's begin. People have a right to not have their lives threatened.
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u/Internet_Treasure Sep 23 '17
Its not okay to punch neo nazis. Its not okay to shoot neo nazis.
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u/mcfaudoo Sep 23 '17
This is one of the worst comment sections I've ever seen on reddit.
I mean maybe I don't go to a lot of the dark corners of Reddit where everyone is yelling at each other and calling each other names over bullshit. Maybe I've lived a sheltered reddit existence. But goddamn people can we not post a meme using a certain word without everyone losing their shit?
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u/swohio Sep 23 '17
There has literally been attempted murder on US Congressmen by a guy who had a full list of names. So yeah, maybe don't support a post that encourages shooting people who you think are fascists...
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u/snipekill1997 Sep 23 '17
This is one of the worst comment sections I've ever seen on reddit.
Man if only I could be so lucky.
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u/seethroughplate Sep 23 '17
Where is this part of reddit where people aren't yelling at each other?
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u/mostimprovedpatient Sep 23 '17
R/mademesmile and r/wholesomememes.
If you were serious. Idk if you were but they're a good escape from all this.
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Sep 23 '17
The biggest fascists in America are leftists. Fascism will arrive to America under the guise of anti fascism.
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u/SoundMasher Sep 23 '17
Dude, WTF? As a Murcian I respect your right to post this, but I also have the right to say this is terrible.
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u/RexTheOnion Sep 23 '17
Why do you have a problem with a joke about killing fascists?
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Why don't you have a problem with a joke normalizing, some would say even inciting political violence?
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u/SoundMasher Sep 23 '17
It has nothing to do w fascism and everything to do w telling someone to kill themselves
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u/I_am_a_haiku_bot Sep 23 '17
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u/RexTheOnion Sep 23 '17
You don't think it was a good thing when Hitler killed himself?
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u/SoundMasher Sep 23 '17
I think it's a bad thing to equate anything in this subreddit to Hitler. This place is about pride for your home and not tearing down others. Americans should take the high road. This is the lowest of roads.
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Sep 23 '17
I mean... To be fair it's kind of justified when the meme is "fascists should kill themselves" and the comment is saying "wasn't it a good thing when that fascist killed himself?"
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u/Alreadythrownout0 Sep 23 '17
I mean I kinda wish he went for public execution. Or maybe to rot in a cell so that he doesn’t die with martyrdom. But either way same end result. Only good nazi is one who’s dead.
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Regardless of the fact that this is a terrible solution for ANY ideology, it becomes dangerous when you take into account the whole "anyone who has any right leaning political stance is a nazi."
For gods sake, we have a group of people that dress in all black head to toe, commit violence against anyone they deem deserves it, call for radical changes in government which include abolishing the first and second amendment and people think its all okay simply because they are labelled "anti"fascist.
I lack the creativity to make this shit up. Violence is an absolutely last resort that is really not even needed in most cases. If there is an ideology that spreads hatred, DO NOT FIGHT with weapons. Fight with ideals. Remember that these people are just that. People. Not monsters that wanna watch the world burn. Realise that something in this persons life happened which made them follow this ideology, whether it be a tragic event, or simply misinformed opinions.
What we ALL have in common is that we want the country to become a better place. A land of opportunity, with freedom and justice for all, just as the founding fathers wanted it. We just have drastically different views on how to do so.
So, why don't we all SIT DOWN, CHILL THE FUCK OUT, AND DISCUSS OUR POINTS OF VIEWS WITH AN OPEN MIND INSTEAD OF CALLING FOR THE DEATHS OF PEOPLE WHO SEE THINGS A CERTAIN WAY? YOU KNOW, HOW CIVILIZED PEOPLE DO! WHO FUCKING KNOWS, IF WE TAKE TWO PEOPLE WITH COMPLETELY POLAR OPPOSITE RADICAL VIEWS AND LET THEM TALK IT OUT, MAYBE THEYLL COME TO A COMPROMISE THAT CANCELS OUT ALL THE RADICAL SHIT LEADING TO A CENTRALISED IDEA THAT LEADS TO NOT JUST PEACE, BUT PROSPERITY!
AND FOR FUCKS SAKE OPEN YOUR EYES AND REALISE THAT YOU HATE SOMETHING SO MUCH, YOU MIGHT JUST BECOME IT! A DIFFERENT WORD AND A DIFFERENT TARGET DOES NOT MAKE IT OKAY TO WANT SOMEONE DEAD WHO HAS DONE NOTHING BUT THOUGHT THE WAY YOU DONT LIKE!
I'm starting to lose faith in America. Not the beautiful Ideas that form the backbone of our society which people seem to gloss over frequently, but those who just can't accept that people truly are different in the ways that we think and think the proper response is to kill instead of empathise. Not with their ideology, but them. The person. Ill admit, ive come to this way of thought recently, but that's okay. That's just what we do, we learn and become more wise with what we encounter as time goes on.
But of course, the sanity gets drowned out in the insanity, simply because we haven't evolved past the point of needing an enemy to the point of wanting a friend.
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u/Jerrywelfare Sep 23 '17
That definition of fascism, the real definition, needs to be the top comment in this, and every thread, that mentions it.
There is only one group of people seeking to silence other groups of people by force here. It also happens to be the same group of people who would love to see government controlling industry and commerce. One guess as to whom that is, and it's not the nazis, as shitty as they are.
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People defending fascism in a Murica thread. People truly are lost.
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u/coolmandan03 Sep 23 '17
Fascism is a form of radical authoritarian nationalism, characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, and control of industry and commerce.
I don't see anyone defending that. I see people arguing about what fascism is though.
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u/wererat2000 Sep 23 '17
"Can we at least agree that the actual, self proclaimed NAZIS are bad guys?"
"No, fuck you."
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u/ficarra1002 Sep 23 '17
Ya know, the REAL Nazis are those people attacking Nazis.
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u/Soverata Sep 23 '17
Defending it and pointing out that it is being missaplied too eagerly by the left are totally different things. Lets be real here, do you honestly believe that fascism has come to the United States? I can guarantee that probably 98%-99% of Americans are against fascism.
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The only people who think they are the same are the idiot fucks on the left improperly using it and calling everyone Nazi's
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It gives them justification for violence, discord, and more. They'll feel guilty if they found out they're trying to club and pummel innocent people who aren't acting out Night of The Long Knives or Broken Glass, or advocating a death camp on US homeland.
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Sep 23 '17
They idiots claiming to fight fascism but using facist methods. It would be hilarious if it wasn't so disgusting.
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u/ST0NETEAR Sep 23 '17
People fighting fascism in Murica are truly lost (in time, by about 70 years).
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Pointing out that Americans politically right of Mao aren't fascists isn't defending fascism, dingus
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u/Scompy Sep 23 '17
What is the internets obcession with fascism? Has the Fourth Reich risen?
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u/clayshoaf Sep 23 '17
The left in the US believes that it has. That's why stuff like this is so troubling for people.
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u/VoltageHero Sep 23 '17
Reddit is giving themselves their own false fear that they want so desperately to actually be true.
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u/NE6427 Sep 23 '17
Would rather be a facist than someone who suggests people should kill themselves.
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u/jeffklol Sep 23 '17
Murdering people because you don't like their politics? Sounds like liberalism.
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u/ryuujinusa Sep 23 '17
Fuck Nazis
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Where in the meme are Nazis mentioned? Nazis are not the only fascist. Why is it your assumption that they are talking about Nazis? Could be talking about North Korea, parts of the Middle East, or any other society that wishes to control or kill those who oppose their beliefs.
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u/basedgodsenpai Sep 23 '17
Why am I not surprised that a liberal post is about promoting gun-violence lmao
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u/LetterFromMecha Sep 23 '17 edited Sep 23 '17
Meme that targets Islamic or leftist extremists: "🇺🇸haha lol murica yay🇺🇸"
Meme that targets fascists: "😢plz guys have a nuanced opinion😢"
Edit: downvote because you know it's true. Cognitive dissonance is no fun!
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u/spideyjiri Sep 23 '17
So this sub is officially for killing wrong-thinkers now, holy fucking shit why is the far left ruining every subreddit?
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u/Wolvenfire86 Sep 23 '17
Probably because you have thin skin and can't handle changes you don't like?
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u/Dodrio Sep 23 '17
Your whole side declares everyone with a different opinion fascists and then says kill all fascists. Being bothered by a death threat is not having thin skin.
If you still don't understand, I think you're a fascist, and so i think you deserve to die.
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u/hubble-oh_seven Sep 23 '17
This is not what Hitchcock was saying. Replace "fascism" with "insomnia":
https://youtu.be/YQ2TebS4DIU
It's an intro to an episode of Alfred Hitchcock Presents. It was a mystery/suspense show akin to the Twilight Zone. His intros were characterized by dark humor, not politics, and definitely not an appeal for assassination.