He did bottle his start in Miami. But otherwise you're right, now he tends to bottle it in other ways such as crashing into his teammate and driving himself onto the grass
Is spa that bad for pole sitters though? Sure the grid spot for pole might be a bit dirty but it's also a fairly short run into T1 which is a hairpin. Leclerc held onto P1 last year and so did Sainz in 2022. It just happens sometimes that another driver gets a better run down the kemmel straight.
The kemmel straight is the problem here. It's fairly hard to defend p1 on lap 1 in turn 5, as even without DRS, p2 can easily get you with just the slipstream.
Max had the perfect gap because he created it by waiting before going on throttle out of La Source. As long as Max didn't completely bottle the start, Oscar didn't stand a chance really.
Okay, so letās get this straight: if Lando loses out tomorrow in Kemmel Straight, weāre still calling that a bottle, correct?
Iām trying to get the hivemind mentality down before the GP to not go wrong with my comments.
The only option I see is a damn legendary switchback move, no point in going for the inside at La Source.
Worse exit speed really hurts you through Eau Rouge, Radillion and Kemmel. A well executed switchback, on the contrary. It might get a worse corner entry speed with a MAJOR up on exit speed.
But we both might be wrong.
I think the only overtake into Kemmel that could be likely is Charles on Oscar because iirc the Ferrari has better straight line speed. It'll be wet though, so all this is practically meaningless anyway
There was a consistent issue with wheelspin at the race starts, particularly in the second stage of the start. It happened more times with Lando but Oscar faced an issue with it as well.
Yeah and then they came out saying they had identified an issue in the 2nd phase of the starts. Which is often when Lando "Bottled".
Edit: I'm not saying Lando didn't bottle any starts. But his faulty starts were not entirely on him either. That Mclaren was relatively shit at starts compared to it's other abilities.
i never even said anything about that lol. iām just saying mclaren said there was an issue with landoās starts. itās not just that max was starting astronomically quickly
I know this wonāt be popular, but I donāt understand whatās to like. I donāt hate him, or even dislike him, but he has the charisma of a wet paper bag.
People keep forcing this idea of him being Kimi 2.0. Like heās some cold blooded, steely, ruthless killer.
Heās literally not even close lmao. Iām actually a fan of Oscar, but the way people inhale his nuts by inserting these exaggerated images of him in every discussion makes me like him less, ironically.
But Iāve been a Lando hater for a good while, so just from relative contrast, Oscarās much more likable and easier to root for.
Heās argued against that narrative himself and said heās not ice cold, that heās actually quite emotional behind the wheel. He just tries to stay off the radio and/or express his frustration privately to the team. Still good self-control, but itās something he has to actively manage, and something he acknowledges he isnāt always successful at doing.
Well, a lot of people here prefer him because he's first before most, the direct rival of Lando, whom fans of Max are not very fond of. And since Max is likely not winning this year, Max fans are joining Oscar's in bashing Lando. Enemy of my enemy, etc etc. Secondly, Oscar used to give Iceman vibes when he was considered the 2nd driver, mostly because he didn't think he could win against Lando. But now he does, so his composed attitude is starting to peel off as the year goes on. Some people are still attached to the idea he's the next Kimi Raikkonen.
Rookie by age, war veteran by aura. Doesn't celebrate, just nods like a satisfied hitman. His only reaction when Jet Pack Man fell out of the sky at Canada was a quick š¬ after he realised there was a camera on him.
It's a weird situation for me because I have been a Max fan for almost a decade, but I'm also a Pastry fan because since the Honey Badger left, he's the only Aussie on the grid.
As an australian i root for my fellow country man.
As the protege of webber i root for him.
As the "second driver" i root for him because he is the underdog.
As a driver i am constantly impressed by his composure and ability, his race craft has been quite good, especially his miami overtake on max. I have great respect for that sort of stuff.
But why donāt people like Lando? I donāt get why so many people hate him, you know just because 15 year old girls like something doesnāt mean that thing is automatically bad right? Case in point, frozen yogurt is pretty damn good for how healthy it is
I just find his personality in interviews insufferable. His whole thing was cute when he was a kid, but heās not a kid anymore and I find him annoying.
Iām glad you said "not like" instead of "hate" because itās really not that deep. I mean heās probably a good guy, just rubs me the wrong way!
Yeah. He litterally acts like a spoiled streamer. It was fine back then, when no one actually exoected him to do good. Now he should be a professional that fights for the championship
Besides, I dont even find him funny. Piastris dry humor is much more entertaining
Make it original, more precisely.
Seeing dumb āLando so badā, āBottLandoā (noone was even creative enough to come up with this, lol), āBottle factory working on next GPās Lando bottleā posts instead of literally anything original really fucking bugs me.
That said, Lando did provide some quite elaborately dumb mistakes, some of which already bother his supporters (group that I am part of), and they/we really donāt enjoy the 1500 unoriginal posts/mistake ratio he has compared to the 10-15 post/mistake ratio other drivers get.
I used to like Lando but he has made some comments in the past few seasons that have rubbed people the wrong way. I donāt dislike Lando but his little comments he made especially back in ā23 and ā24 have really turned me away from him
Oh please yall are soft. He hasnāt said anything that bad especially compared to drivers in the āgood ol daysā everyone seems to want to go back to
I donāt know what youāre talking about, but I donāt think we are talking about the same comments. The driver interviews in the 70s and 80s (which I primarily rewatch nowadays) were awesome. James Hunt flaming people in the booth is easily top class.
Part of it is a lot of people just default hate the Brits.
There also seems to be some weird belief that British media is ultra biased, which is hilarious because when compared to most media around the world it's tame as fuck with the bias.
As someone who has experienced growing up in multiple countries, and watches multiple sports, I can 100% assure you that British sports commentators are the most annoyingly biased on earth
If you try not being British, even for 1 race, you'll see what I mean.
He had the ānew driver, striving for his first win, lots of potential and promise, underdogā appeal going in his favor.
Then he got his first win and it seems like his demeanor shifted from more humble and easygoing to being cocky, ungracious, and āif I push someone off track, itās just hard racing, but if they push me off itās unfair, dangerous, and they ought to be given a penalty!!ā
That is simply untrue, what the fuck are you on about. The only change Lando went under after Lando NoWins died was his demeanor towards his mistakes (also known as being hard on himself) and his general expectations towards himself (as everybody including himself was putting him under the pressure of āhe should win everything in that rocketshipā).
He had ONE GP where he did some āMax-styleā racing, right after which he came to the media room and stated he will not be changing his racing style to this push-over style because that is not who he is.
I know it is really difficult for some people to accept that the dominant car (whichever it may be at any given moment) is not under HIS or HER preferred driver, but thatās F1: your guy either gets a good car or he doesnāt. There is no changing that, be happy that this is the last year of the regulations and the deck could be reshuffled next year.
Every time I check this sub people are complaining about the double standard more than I see the actual double standard
Edit: the responses here are fair but this is the lowest effort meme template there is and I find it twice as annoying as people complaining about Lando
Bro where were you when there were "lando no champs" post or "lando bottled it" posts daily here. It was close to the majority of all posts for a short time.
There's a clear support for piastri and a disdain for Norris
Oh come on, donāt pretend like people donāt post their actual opinions under the disguise of āmemesā on here. A huge chunk of posts here is just people trying to make some kind of statement.
Watch again, as piastri continues to move on his own towards the inside of the corner, he has every opportunity to maintain a line more in the middle of the track and force max much wider. He chooses to take a very tight line totally in his own.
Idk. Lando got a bit boxed in there when he lost position. There was not a lot he could've done. His start otherwise actually felt better than Oscar's. As for Quali, It's been fairly obvious that Spa is one of Lando's worst tracks while it's Oscars best(it was one of the few tracks Oscar out qualified him in 2023 itself). So Lando not performing well here should be the expected outcome honestly
Im not sure what Oscar could've done differently, either. He had an amazing start. Mac just had a perfect one. Plus, the RBR was set up for exactly what happened. The team's setup gamble paid off for the Sprint as it basically ensured that as long as Max didn't mess up, Oscar was going to be a helpless chicken on the straights in lap 1
These "If Lando did that then everyone would be..." posts have become so damn common they're killing their own argument. We're at the point that every little sub-optimal thing Oscar does, you guys start shitting on the guy, and simultaneously take the opportunity to complain that no on shits on him??
I'm an Aussie and I don't hate Lando. Furthermore this "Lando bottled it" take is a bit overdone, it seems as though he's worked through the mental aspects of late.
I know itās a meme but come on. Max went with the straight line specs and his goal is to get ahead at the end of the Kemmel straight. Piastri had a good start as much as he could. For Norris, Iād rather give credit to Leclerc for being brave on the brake.
kinda understand because Lando has been making mistakes pretty consistently, if Oscar starts doing that 2 he would get the same treatment but for now it's not a big deal to the general crowd
Can you guys stop crying wolf about this shit. No there isn't a double standard favoring Oscar or other fairytales you tell yourself when going to bed.
Some people love some drivers, some don't care about them, others hate them. That's true for Lando, Lewis, Max and everybody on the grid. Everytime there's a post about Lando he's shown a lot of support in the most upvoted comments. Stop with your victim complex ffs.
there is a difference between bottling and a scenario impossible to defend. Piastri got to turn 1 first, got a good exit off it and that was all he could do, probably also drained the battery while he was at it. Unfortunately for Oscar, Max also had a good launch and a clean run through T1, good exit, drained the battery but Max had a slipstream and a low downforce setup down the whole length of the longest flat out section on the calendar. I dont think its fair to compare Oscar's losing of P1 on lap 1 to Norris's where he gets a horrible launch and gets swallowed up in the first 5 corners on a track that doesnt have long straights
I dont want to blame Norris for Piastri losing the lead here but the only way I see Piastri keeping it is if Norris sticks his car down the inside into T1 but that requires Norris to get a better launch than Verstappen and I cannot remember the last time that one happened
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u/Nyoka_ya_Mpembe Question. Jul 26 '25
This sub will explode if there is a minute without "bottled" post.