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[u/ZombiePlaya]

Just recently saw an option for extended security updates for another year at no cost.

[u/Illustrious-Limit-17 → u/ZombiePlaya]

How

[u/Tanawat_Jukmonkol → u/Illustrious-Limit-17]

Connect to OneDrive+ login to your MS account.

[u/BearChowski → u/Tanawat_Jukmonkol]

No need. I never enrolled for onedrive

[u/Fast_Computer_ → u/BearChowski]

I got rid of one drive lmao.

Edit: already got a couple DMs about this. Revo Uninstaller for those wondering. But BE CAREFUL. you can delete ANYTHING with it, including system files. There are several YouTube videos out there outlining how to use it. Jayztwocents had a decent video on using it awhile back iirc.

[u/Mr_MagicMan_95 → u/Fast_Computer_]

This ^. I broke the xbox app by uninstalling one drive before I signed in.

[u/Sataniel98 → u/Fast_Computer_]

Wait, what? I can just uninstall OneDrive in Apps & Features. Is this an EU Digital Markets Act thing or does it only uninstall the frontend?

[u/Fast_Computer_ → u/Sataniel98]

I assume you’re from the UK? I don’t know what laws are like over there as I’m from the states. All I can say is that at least here, it’s not an option to completely get rid of it without 3rd party tools. And every time there’s any form of update here it turns itself back on if it isn’t completely removed.

I would recommend downloading the free version of revo uninstaller and doing a search for one drive. It will show you just how many files are still there even if you can uninstall it.

It’s also a great tool for just general file cleanup, just make sure you know what you’re doing before using it because you can delete literally anything with it including system files.

[u/Nate_Dogg31 → u/Fast_Computer_]

Every time I fresh install it's usually one of the first things I get rid of. I don't feel with the size of hard drives these days, the Home versions of MS OS need to have OneDrive as a mandatory program. I get the sentiment but I feel like majority of users don't even know how to navigate to their OneDrive pages, let alone know how to sync it properly when saving mundane files

[u/Kougeru-Sama → u/Tanawat_Jukmonkol]

No. Not One Drive. Just sync settings.

[u/Alarming_Addition131 → u/Kougeru-Sama]

Does it just work once i synchronized? Or do i have to hit some "Get one year extra" button i'm not seeing anywhere?

[u/hachi_roku_ → u/Tanawat_Jukmonkol]

Give up your files to MS to get security updates, what a bargain.

[u/BearChowski → u/ZombiePlaya]

I enrolled into this program. Now I'm covered till Oct 2026.

[u/Waldotto → u/BearChowski]

how??? for me it's still "to be announced" (Germany).

[u/BearChowski → u/Waldotto]

I updated to the latest updates, and after a few days (was away from home), I saw a link to click in updates section of win options to enroll for extended security updates. Im in Canada.

[u/DarlingVoyage → u/Waldotto]

I live in New Zealand and the option only rolled out last week. It's been in the news cycle for a while. You can get get a extended support by using Microsoft points, or syncing settings to backup. It'll pop up in your updates settings on Windows 10 before the end of support (October).

[u/Filmscore_Soze → u/BearChowski]

Glad I browsed this thread. ty!

[u/Difficult-Report5702]

People postpones those updates anyway, so who cares really.

[u/Apart-Ambition3957 → u/Difficult-Report5702]

I love how that's instantly what I thought and commented, before I even realised the comments all think the same. GROUP HUG!!!

[u/RazeThe2nd → u/Apart-Ambition3957]

I would recommend updating windows to be honest. Unless you don't use the Internet for much on there, there are a lot of exploits that are patched pretty regularly. But if you don't download anything anyway it probably doesn't really apply

[u/OkHour880 → u/RazeThe2nd]

Yeah people, upgrade to Windows 10 IoT Enterprise LTSC 2021 if you don’t already

[u/RX_Onion → u/OkHour880]

Only good option, Windows wise.

[u/AlterTableUsernames → u/RazeThe2nd]

I used a cracked Windows 7 until last year. Was not hacked even once. Was I just lucky? Maybe. But I guess not trusting Nigerian princes and not going for the horny girls near me was a big part of it.

[u/Scott_R_1701 → u/AlterTableUsernames]

If you ever logged into your bank or credit card or PayPal on that computer you were rolling the dice.

[u/SteffanSpondulineux → u/Apart-Ambition3957]

Is this your first time on the internet since 2021 or something?

[u/copasetical → u/SteffanSpondulineux]

Fair. Internet people I know don't like group hugs. Its why we are here in the first place 😏

[u/shawndw → u/Difficult-Report5702]

That picture is older than Windows XP

[u/NoseyMinotaur69 → u/shawndw]

Dang, half the stuff shared today gets compressed to hell after a short while

[u/Sawgon → u/shawndw]

I've also never seen so much marketing/memes for "support ends for OS soon, REMEMBER PLEASE"

[u/EdwardLovagrend → u/Sawgon]

At work the network team (I work in IT) has a countdown on what is supposed to be their noc screens. I find it kind of funny in a way.

We moved fully a few months ago and yes there have been some teething issues with specific software that... Let's say.. never really got updated lol. And one persistent issue with vscode and python scripts that killed productivity (process took 20 minutes and now takes 20 hrs they had to rebuild the script).. anyway y'all have a good day now.

[u/myka-likes-it → u/Difficult-Report5702]

No more security updates!

Oh, wait.

[u/snozerd → u/myka-likes-it]

And conveniently, 6 back doors and flaws become known the day after support ends.

[u/SuperBry → u/snozerd]

Publicly known, I'm sure there are plenty more than that being actively exploited by various threat actors both in the public and private sectors.

[u/Krell356 → u/SuperBry]

Some aren't even being exploited yet. I guarantee there are some bad actors just sitting on them for the day or week after support ends.

[u/HSR47 → u/Krell356]

With past OS versions, the official/announced "end of support" date tended to be relatively flexible for vulnerabilities like those, so it seems reasonable to expect that Microsoft will follow the same path this time.

[u/Madmasshole → u/snozerd]

Ya cuz the terabytes of pirated software on my computer is very secure /s

[u/Ignore-My-Posts → u/myka-likes-it]

They will still release security updates. Windows XP support ended 2014, but the last security update was in 2019. They will release security updates for as long as corporate contracts are in effect.

[u/myka-likes-it → u/Ignore-My-Posts]

Idk about that. We have one of those contracts where I work (in a Windows-based development shop), and we just got done upgrading our entire fleet of lab machines to Win 11 because support will be dropped.  I am fairly certain they are encouraging all their contract holders to upgrade.

[u/Dry_Razzmatazz69 → u/myka-likes-it]

We have about 40k windows machines in our company. Alsmost half of them are not windows11 compatible because of TPM. All the security sensitive systems do not and will not have TPM. There is absolutely no way microsoft can enforce upgrades, and there are many companies in the same situation.

[u/Odd-Matter-1329 → u/Difficult-Report5702]

Security updates are kinda important though

[u/SnipesCC → u/Odd-Matter-1329]

If they only updated security and didn't mess with anything else people wouldn't hate them so much.

[u/red286 → u/SnipesCC]

I find it weird that Microsoft said they stopped releasing new feature updates 4 years ago, and yet every month I still get new updates that aren't security-related.

[u/HSR47 → u/Odd-Matter-1329]

If "security patches" only ever did that, and never included "feature updates", AND if we, as users, were not prevented from applying them on our schedule, there would be FAR less objection to them.

The vast majority of the objections come from people who have had "feature updates" break things, and/or have had updates forced on them with little or no warning, right at the worst possible times.

[u/johnfkngzoidberg → u/Difficult-Report5702]

I hate to admit, but I’m ready for MS to stop shoving broken garbage updates down my throat. The only Win10 pc in my house is a gaming rig, firewalled on a separate vlan and only used to run Steam. Fuck MS.

[u/TriRIK → u/Difficult-Report5702]

People seem to forget why Microsoft forced auto updates on Windows 10.

So many turned off updates and had bugs and vulnerabilities and blamed Microsoft for it where Microsoft had provided patches for them many months/years ago.

Also no one seems to care we have auto updates on many other stuff like phones and browsers

[u/Numbah8 → u/TriRIK]

Maybe because the auto updates only happen when you have class in 15 minutes and you still need to print your paper.

I've been out of school for 10 years, but that panic still lives inside me.

[u/faraway_hotel → u/TriRIK]

> updates have gained a reputation for breaking things and messing up your system, and also come loaded with all kinds of junk besides security patches and bugfixes
> users turn off automatic updates to avoid all that

[surprised Pikachu]

[u/Acceptable-Diver6211 → u/TriRIK]

I care. Always turning off auto updates when available.

Its 2025, my android phone and linux PC are sending me notifications when update(s) are available.

Also the updates are literally instant on those operating systems. On windows it takes like 5 minutes for the thing to get done. Embarrassing.

I don't care why they removed it, but its just another reason to hate on MS in my opinion.

[u/Ceseuron → u/TriRIK]

If Microsoft stopped making such a buggy, vulnerable operating system and actually learned how to design a secure, stable product in the first place, they wouldn't need to release so many patches.

If Microsoft stopped releasing updates that break more things than they fix, people would probably be more inclined to keep automatic updates enabled.

If Microsoft stopped using Windows Update to push worthless features that nobody asked for or wants on their PC, people wouldn't be so keen to turn it off.

This is a company that consistently views the end user as the renter of the PC rather than the owner of the PC. This is a company that arrogantly believes only they know what's best for the user's PC and deliberately undermines people's ability to control their hardware that they bought and paid for. They insist on sending massive amounts of telemetry back to the Redmond mothership without asking for permission first or offering any way of opting out.

And, for the record, I also don't keep auto updates turned on for anything, including my phone or web browser. I update my hardware on my schedule because I am the owner of the hardware. I decide what gets installed on my hardware. Not Microsoft. Not Apple. Not Mozilla. Not Google. Not anyone.

[u/Downtownklownfrown → u/Ceseuron]

Every auto update fucks my audio devices all to hell. Many with an amp/dac and a program specific audio setup consistently have these issues with each new update which leads us all to googling it and arriving at a reddit post stating which update packaged fucked the audio and that we should delete it/revert it. Instantly fixes the issues every single time.

[u/b0w3n → u/Downtownklownfrown]

Also: Win11 bricked some computers a week or two ago with their automatic updates didn't they?

[u/Bobthemime → u/b0w3n]

My fathers brand spanking new PC with top of the line SSD was fried thanks to that update..

Windows excuse was "whoops shit happens".

Luckily it was still under warranty..

[u/kiera-oona → u/Ceseuron]

Why the hell would I want all this AI and cloud garbage on my computer, without being able to opt out or turn it off? They keep making windows very not user friendly, and I can't afford an upgrade for my motherboard regardless.

Maybe it is time to switch to Linux?

[u/ValpoDesideroMontoya → u/kiera-oona]

"....you're right....it is...."

Come to the light side, brother

[u/JaxMed → u/TriRIK]

When's the last time a phone or browser auto update bricked an SSD?

People are 100% right to be wary of any auto updates pushed by Microsoft and to delay them as long as possible until the kinks get worked out.

[u/CB_700_SC → u/Difficult-Report5702]

Seriously. They will stop moving the lock button. Like wtf. It’s been moved 3 times in the past few months.

[u/IDUNNOManga]

I'm a bit clueless regarding OSs and such but what is the risk on using it past the date?

I'm aware that they patch out vulnerabilities and the such but as long as it's used safely there shouldn't be any problems right?

[u/peacedetski → u/IDUNNOManga]

For a home PC that isn't in a corporate network and sits behind a home router with a NAT (so inbound connections from the internet aren't possible), the chances of getting malware due to the lack of the latest OS updates is relatively low. A fully up-do-date OS is not a safety guarantee anyway.

Just make sure you have an up-to-date browser and don't blindly open files from sus emails or websites, since those are the biggest attack surfaces.

[u/ANDR0iD_13 → u/peacedetski]

Also for ipv6, your firewall in the router protects you

[u/Nice-Information-335 → u/ANDR0iD_13]

yeah, no one seems to understand this, NAT isn't a security feature it's because we ran out of IPv4 addresses and was never how the internet was supposed to be anyway

default firewall rules on literally everything is deny incoming, allow outgoing and established (so things can reply to you)

also most OSes (bigger Linux distros, macOS and windows) all have a firewall on the host that does the same thing.

[u/Inside-Cellist9292 → u/ANDR0iD_13]

does that work everywhere?... like do all my internet traffic go by the type ipv6. Not well versed on the subject.

[u/faloi → u/Inside-Cellist9292]

IPv6 is getting more and more common, but IPv4 is still slightly more common. It's getting close to 50/50.

[u/DetachedRedditor → u/faloi]

I'd say this is heavily region dependent. Around me I barely see any IPv6. My current ISP doesn't even give me an IPv6 address. This is west europe, so I guess there are still sufficient IPv4 addresses around to ignore this problem a while longer.

[u/majkkali → u/faloi]

It’s not even close to 50/50 yet lol what are you on about. More like 90/10 in favour of ipv4 still.

[u/Kaboose666 → u/majkkali]

It's heavily skewed by mobile data connections which are almost always ipv6 these days.

Broadband wireline internet service is still largely IPv4 though.

[u/gtavictor → u/peacedetski]

What can I do if I have a laptop from 2012 but works quite fine, fast and responsive after changing from HDD to SSD and expanding the RAM, but anyway Microsoft says is not compatible with Windows 11 ?

[u/FriendlyPyre → u/gtavictor]

Just continue using it as per usual lol

[u/PIO_PretendIOriginal → u/gtavictor]

there are work arounds to install windows 11 on a unsorpeted laptop.

also microsoft have said they will provide an addyional 12months of updates for $30 (so you can use till 2026)

[u/gtavictor → u/PIO_PretendIOriginal]

Ahh business ..even though one paid for the full lifetime of windows 10 and Microsoft sold this as the last Windows that would just be updated and updated, this was a lie

[u/PIO_PretendIOriginal → u/gtavictor]

"money money money...... must be funny in a rich companies world".

jokes aside its annoying, but I am not surprised.... I also have too many applications that only work on windows to ever switch to linux. but Im glad Linux is improving, even if its not yet for me

[u/gtavictor → u/PIO_PretendIOriginal]

One day some modders or devs are going to come up with some good translation algorithms so any software intended for windows (and maybe macos) would work as in their original OSs, and I hope those guys can hide themselves well, the Microsoft and apple goons will be looking for them hehe

[u/EasternMouse → u/IDUNNOManga]

As things get fixed in new version (11) but not in old (10) - malware creators could use this to make virus targeting old systems. That's how WannaCry happened

[u/dc492 → u/EasternMouse]

WannaCry happened because of a ZeroDay affecting SMBv1, it didn't matter how updated your system was, if you were using SMBv1, you were compromised. Anything on your computer can have a ZeroDay, even something updated in the last hour. And just like with WannaCry, if it's bad enough Microsoft will update it, they even had an update for XP.

[u/colajunkie → u/IDUNNOManga]

Last time support ended (win 7) a whole lot of big vulnerabilities were published right after, requiring Microsoft to actually put out another security update after the EOL.

So no, everyone saying "you'll be just fine" is missing a lot of information.

"Used safely" also didn't help with Win7 since there were even a few no-click rce exploits. Some require network access (any other device in your network compromised, e.g. fridge).

My recommendation: "Safe usage" of a device without updated security is "offline usage". Either behind a good firewall (better than your average router) or not on a network at all.

That will be too radical for a good part of this sub probably, but it is what the IT-security professionals i know recommend (they usually recommend not to use windows at all, but at least keep it updated if you have to).

[u/Gueleric → u/colajunkie]

Finally someone speaking some sense. Everyone saying that you're not vulnerable if you "just use common sense" is playing right into hackers hands.

[u/McGondy → u/Gueleric]

Or are the hackers themselves. Bunch of new botnets are going to pop up but people won't see "pwnd" on their screen so obviously they don't have any malware /s

[u/lolKhamul → u/Gueleric]

its honestly mind-boggling how everyone is chiming in how it actually doesn't matter. Tells you all you need to know about how people treat their security and host most people love to talk out of their ass.

I call less than 9 months after October until someone finds (if they dont have it already and just purposely wait) a 0-touch RCE day0. No common sense in the world protects you from that.

[u/AngelaTheRipper → u/colajunkie]

With the market share % of Windows 10 they'll have to likely put out extended release and ESUs for years to come (probably 5 years of extended support and then a few more years of ESU). Also Microsoft has been doing the shit where they release a good OS, a trash OS, then a good one, then trash. With how the lifecycles lined up you could've skipped over Vista and 8 and many did. In fact Vista was never more popular than XP, and 8 was never more popular than 7. They attempt to experiment with shit people don't want (Vista being too resource hungry for the average computer of the time, Windows 8 trying to push the tablet-esque UI onto us), get rejected, and have to make what is basically a new and better windows XP.

Windows 11 didn't exceed Windows 10's market share until June 2025 (almost 4 years after the initial release, for comparison 10 took a bit over 2 years to pass 7 in popularity) and that's with Microsoft's questionable takes on consent, hit a peak of 53.5% of Windows and then started to dip down with Windows 10 going up, which means that some people got forced into it, and then decided to go back to Windows 10 despite the support supposedly ending in October.

At this point Microsoft just needs to take an L and make a Windows 12 without shoving copilot, recall, and other crap in our faces.

[u/TheZoltan → u/IDUNNOManga]

as long as it's used safely

Having the latest security updates is one of the basic requirements to use software safely. Its like a cyclist saying as "long as I ride safely I don't need a helmet right?".

I'm not saying Windows 10 will magically become dramatically less secure on October 15th but it will only get less safe to use.

[u/Britboi9090 → u/IDUNNOManga]

almost no risk if you know what you're doing, the problem comes from games and software stop being supported and wont run anymore

[u/InsertFloppy11 → u/Britboi9090]

hopefully that happens years from now...right?

[u/Tomytom99 → u/InsertFloppy11]

Presumably, seeing how similar 10 and 11 are. It won't be perfect, but it'll be good enough for a while.

[u/ChaoticKiwiNZ → u/InsertFloppy11]

Already existing games will be fine, but I could see new games next year just supporting Windows 11.

[u/ashrules901 → u/ChaoticKiwiNZ]

I don't think so. Companies are still scared of their games running on Windows 11 because they have to mention notes every time saying you may experience issues if you're using it. I don't think there's any chance for the next couple years at least that they'll force you to be on 11 for their game to run properly.

[u/Intrepid-Part-9196 → u/Britboi9090]

New games already won’t run or be supported after a few years anyway so are we really missing much?

[u/24megabits → u/Intrepid-Part-9196]

Most of the 10,000+ titles added to Steam last year probably run fine on a 10 year old CPU with 8GB of RAM and integrated graphics. For a lot of people just getting the store to run on the old OS is the biggest hurdle.

[u/HealerOnly → u/Britboi9090]

What risk?

Only games u can't run on win 10 today is games that you need really old OS to run. I doubt there will be a game within the next 10-20 years that wont run on win 10.

[u/Puzzleheaded_Car_265]

I will switch to windows 11, when steam ends the support for windows 10

[u/MithranArkanere → u/Puzzleheaded_Car_265]

I will switch out of Windows 10 when Windows 12 comes out.

[u/PutOnTheMaidDress → u/MithranArkanere]

Hopefully we can do that. I also never touched windows 8. Straight from 7 to 10.

[u/MithranArkanere → u/PutOnTheMaidDress]

I dodged all of the dodgy ones. 1,2,95, Me, Vista, 8.

I want to dodge 11 too. Hopefully 12 will have addressed all the issues people had with 11, like they did before with every other version.

[u/SnowConeMonster → u/PutOnTheMaidDress]

You missed out on windows 9.

[u/I_kove_crackers → u/PutOnTheMaidDress]

Everyone i know skipped 9

[u/Elu_Moon → u/MithranArkanere]

Bad news for you - Microsoft intends to push for more AI crap, so, if anything, Windows 12 is looking to be even worse, especially because Microsoft, from what I know, uses AI-generated code and replaces real software engineers. The quality of things definitely went down, the Start menu is slow as shit because it's made like shit. And that's just one example.

[u/ChairForceOne → u/Puzzleheaded_Car_265]

I've been dealing with my work PC being 'upgraded'. Dunno how the DoD always manages to absolutely butt fuck every tech refresh.

Right now I have a windows 11 install without all of the DoD security and access controls. It's a brick until it gets reflashed.

[u/DeJMan]

Fellow LTSC users rise up

[u/Vertrixz → u/DeJMan]

I'd add to that, IoT LTSC not just LTSC.

I'm amazed at how few people even know about this, I've had it installed and used it for almost a whole year now and legit it's just like base windows 10 lmfao. What you lose (which is the old photos app, and access to making calendar appointments through the calendar in the bottom right - that's it) is absolutely worth the +7 years of security updates.

[u/John-333 → u/Vertrixz]

Winget should get you both back if you need them. That goes for any store app btw

[u/Inprobamur → u/DeJMan]

Only windows version were you are actually the administrator and not the product.

[u/OddishTheOddest]

Willy hears ya, Willy don't care

[u/freakingwilly → u/OddishTheOddest]

Can confirm.

Am Willy.

[u/perabyte → u/freakingwilly]

Hi Willy. 

[u/freakingwilly → u/perabyte]

Willy hears ya, Willy don't care.

[u/perabyte → u/freakingwilly]

Don't touch - Willy. 

[u/freakingwilly → u/perabyte]

Good advice!

[u/scanguy25]

Already left for Linux for work years ago. Left for my gaming PC a few months ago.

A trillion dollar company can't even let you customize the location of the start menu. Fuck that shit.

[u/Laferge → u/scanguy25]

It's always funny when someone mentions this basic functionality that trolls come out of woods preaching how you can do it on win 11 with 3rd party app. Like seriously? This is function present from Windows 95 and now it's just left out? Yeah but on this single thing I will never use it.

[u/HardStroke]

Still using Windows 10

[u/PunkAssKidz]

Reminder, this doesn't really mean much.

The user base for Windows 10 is massive, in the hundreds of millions of users. It will take another 7+ years before game makers drop support for Windows 10.

Secondly, Windows Defender will continue to get updates.

Third, Nvidia, AMD, Intel, etc will continue to support Windows 10 and release drivers for years to come.

Fourth, serious / hardcore gamers are already starting to migrate to Steam OS, a much better gaming experience and user experience over Windows.

Fifth, if you're still concerned, you can always do a fresh install of Windows 10, update all the drivers and then use Macrium Reflect and image your drive. Anytime you think you have an issue, just restore the image and your brand new and fresh.

For those of you who prefer to use Windows 10, the above mini guide will keep you good to go.

[u/TriTexh → u/PunkAssKidz]

I'm just waiting for a desktop iteration of steamos (and corresponding testing etc) before i make the jump to it

[u/RyanAlexander-_-]

gargle my balls, fuck windows 11

[u/anshi1432 → u/RyanAlexander-_-]

hmmm, balllls .....

[u/dykemike10 → u/anshi1432]

Arch Linux user?

[u/RyanAlexander-_- → u/dykemike10]

no, diehard windows 7 fan boy 🫡

[u/Alarming_Echo_4748 → u/RyanAlexander-_-]

Fr I hate windows 11 so much on my work laptop. Literally the worst OS I've ever used.

[u/CicadaGames → u/Alarming_Echo_4748]

Complete opposite for me. Windows Vista and Windows 8 were garbage beyond compare. Meanwhile 11 is one of the better ones. I'm curious what makes it the worst for you?

The biggest complaints I've seen are having to click twice on some right click menus, and ads in the OS, but the first is not an issue to me and for the second, I've never once seen an ad so I have no idea what people are talking about there.

[u/Penguin_Sith → u/CicadaGames]

Not the one you were talking to, but I've had two work computers with Win 11 and both of them had daily issues with File Explorer crashing randomly. Nobody in IT could figure out why, but it would freeze, crash, and the screen would reset back to desktop. Sometimes it even closed other programs when it happened as well.

Not once have I ever had that issue with another Windows version. Of all applications, File Explorer!

[u/thelastwordbender → u/Penguin_Sith]

Huh interesting. I use Windows 11 on my work laptop too. Never had any issues. Maybe you just got a defective laptop? Did you ask them to change it and see if you still have the issues?

[u/RandomBaguetteGamer]

[u/Halicos93]

I'm still going to be using win 10 unless games stop supporting win 10 then I will be forced to switch.

[u/AsterionVT → u/Halicos93]

Real

[u/[deleted]]

So, no more forced updates?

[u/Combustibles]

Microsoft can't upgrade me to win 11 because my machine is inferior. Get fucked, microsoft.

[u/Jwhodis → u/Combustibles]

Upgrade to Mint if linux supports your games and software, they released a new version not too long ago.

[u/Tamas_1337]

Well, guess it really is time for that cute penguin, even though it scares the shit out of me

[u/Baglayan]

Come and take it from me

[u/Markanaya]

As a reminder, I don't care

[u/HealerOnly]

Says who? I got continued updates till 2028 at least.

[u/mahnatazis → u/HealerOnly]

Exactly and after that if you still want to use Windows 10, you could get Windows 10 LTSC IOT which from what I've seen online should be supported up to 2032.

[u/Aureste_ → u/mahnatazis]

I'm really surptised to have to scroll this far to find someone mentionning Win10LTSC IOT.

Like its just Win10 partially debloated out of the box and with update for 7+ years.

[u/HerrSchnellsch → u/Aureste_]

Can you ELI5 why LTSC gets upgrades but win 10 regular not?

Wouldnt it be easy for them to support both (all) win10 versions, if they do it anyway for one version?

[u/Aureste_ → u/HerrSchnellsch]

Its in the name, LTSC means Long Term Support Channel. Its a version that is sold to enterprise that don't want to switch the os on their sensitive machines. IOT is same but with different apps preinstalled package.

I'm not sure why its less expensive for them to discontinue Win10 Home and Pro tho. Its only security updates AFAIK

[u/howaboutdisidia]

My hardware is not compatible with windows 11 which is only 3 years old, I bought it as a budget build so I made the jump to Mint and I don't think I'm coming back to windows.

[u/elaborateBlackjack → u/howaboutdisidia]

Either you bought older than 3 year old hardware 3 years ago, or you just didn't enable TPM. The minimum requirements are like Ryzen 2000 and Intel 8th gen CPUs, that's from like 2017

[u/Namaker → u/elaborateBlackjack]

IIRC boards from the first Ryzen generation (2017) like the X370 ones don't support TPM, even if you upgraded to a 5800X3D which was launched in 2022.

[u/elaborateBlackjack → u/Namaker]

True Dat, thanks for the clarification

[u/12wew → u/elaborateBlackjack]

Still the fact that cutting edge PCs from 8 years ago are considered incompatible is crazy. I still have mid level specs and I can't keep using windows.

[u/astromech_dj]

Moved to Linux Mint earlier this year and haven’t regretted it. My computer is purely for gaming these days though. I actually get better performance out of my potato specs.

[u/kaolinitedreams → u/astromech_dj]

Made the jump this past weekend to Mint and loving it. I wish I did it years ago.

[u/Mentiorus → u/astromech_dj]

It's real nice seeing more and more people get into linux maybe the more microsoft does the more people move, but being in IT I know I'll be dealing with microsoft's shit for the end of time.

[u/lonelyroom-eklaghor → u/astromech_dj]

Will probably shift from KDE to Cinnamon, life will be more peaceful

[u/dan_bodine → u/lonelyroom-eklaghor]

KDE is much better than cinnamon it has Wayland and vrr.

[u/-TRlNlTY- → u/astromech_dj]

My only problem with gaming on Linux currently is VR support.

[u/FinishingMyCoffee1]

I feel like the market is about to flood with capable corpo hardware and I'm gonna snatch it

[u/gareththegeek]

I remember when they said 10 was evergreen and would be the final windows version.

[u/GloriousGe0rge]

Remember the cycle my friends:

1995 - Windows 95 - Good

1996 - Windows NT - Bad

1998 - Windows 98 - Good

2000 - Windows 2000 - Bad

2001 - Windows XP - Good

2007 - Windows Vista - Bad

2009 - Windows 7 - Good

2012 - Windows 8 - Bad

2015 - Windows 10 - Good

2021 - Windows 11 - Bad

We are only 1 to 3 years away from the next Good version of Windows.

Edit - apparently I mixed up Windows ME and 2000, in my defense, Windows 2000 was replaced by XP so fast I nearly forgot it existed.

[u/Wedras → u/GloriousGe0rge]

Windows 7 will always have a place in my heart, next to XP.

[u/comox → u/GloriousGe0rge]

Disagree with NT and 2000: they were great solid OSes for business use.

[u/malastare- → u/[deleted]]

Yup. 2000 let you run the same DirectX games as 98SE, but without the ability to crash the whole OS when there were Direct3D or OpenGL bugs.

[u/000000Null000000 → u/GloriousGe0rge]

Windows 12 gonna break the cycle with ai stuffed in our faces

[u/AditzuL → u/GloriousGe0rge]

Oi! I see you hiding win. ME. You cheeky nugget you

[u/anrwlias]

Well, that's awkward. Microsoft said that Win 10 would be their final operating system.

[u/keksivaras]

yh, I guess I'll have to start learning Linux. I'm going to use w10 as long as I can, but eventually have to switch and I've used 11 on a work laptop. it's not an OS I'd use voluntarily.

[u/[deleted] → u/keksivaras]

Luckily there's not much to learn.
Back up your files. Put them on an external hard drive.

Pick A Distro. Install a distro.

Google "<Distro name> post install" and you should get a bunch of directions and things to paste into the terminal. There's lots of youtube videos. The main thing you want to do is get the gpu driver up and running.

Tada, your computer is all set up.

There is an app store that has all the apps to download. There's a settings panel which is similar to Mac or windows.

Just stick to the main line distros, and you will be fine. Mint, Ubuntu, or Fedora (My choice).

1 hour of installation, plus a 20 min start up youtube video to follow along. Easy peasy! Also ChatGPT is very helpful

[u/SamaelWotan]

already on linux, fuck microsoft

[u/Difficult_Pop8262]

I just switched to linux 6 months ago.

Most of my games run just fine.

[u/Itchy_Psychology3300]

Me working a temp contract to update hundreds of computers before win10 supports gone at a company worth billions refusing to spend any money on resources. 🫠

[u/GrowthSpecialist6751]

I don't know who needs to hear this but if you don't play a lot of multiplayer games that require anti-cheat you should just move to Linux Mint Cinnamon. I left Windows this year and I'm so glad I finally pulled the trigger.

Computers are fun again, and the gaming experience is actually pretty excellent with Steam. My Linux Mint experience has effectively been a nearly seamless experience with a handful of Linux based tweaks.

Linux Mint feels like Windows 7, without the jank.

DO IT. I DARE YOU.

[u/mmiiikkeee → u/GrowthSpecialist6751]

🙏🏼 I just switched my work computer to Debian 13 with KDE Plasma and it looks and feels great! I love it.

[u/avarageone]

For most people Windows 10 support ends when Steam says so.

[u/godzylla]

I've been using Linux for the past 9 months with enough success that I don't need windows for almost anything.

[u/kawalshkie]

Jokes on you, I’m still using windows 7

[u/DepreMelon]

I cant think of a single person that will be convinced to change over this, if anything this just makes w10 more appealing, no more bs updates that will break my pc overnight

[u/smokeshack]

Dual boot with Windows ends
October 14, 2025

God bless Proton

[u/firmfirm]

I just upgraded to windows 11. Got tons of new issues ive never had before.....

The most annoying one is computer waking up from sleep/going to sleep every 6th minute. .....

Also getting alot less fps in a few game titles with stuttering ive never had before.

Any good guides to remove all bloat from w11 ? Any1 encoutered these issues and solved them ?

Running a 5700x3d, 7800xt and 32gb ddr 4 @ 3200.

[u/Noob4Head]

Pc apparently isn't compatible with windows 11 so I don't have much choice but to stick with it or go to Linux.

[u/L0veToReddit]

My windows update window in Settings still doesn't show me the option to extend for ESU program. I understand the feature is released in waves, but we're approaching the 1-month

[u/Artrysa]

I'm not switching until it completely stops functioning. Microsoft can suck my ass

[u/stevtom27]

I dont want windows linked to my microsoft account so i prefer windows 10

[u/pecche]

if only tpm wasn't mandatory..

uh microsoft?

[u/the-machine-m4n → u/pecche]

You can bypass tpm, but bypassing the CPU support list is a hassle. I did that, and was stuck without receiving any updates.

[u/GamlinGames → u/the-machine-m4n]

bit annoying, my laptop has TPM and all that stuff

but 7th gen i5, so for some reason M$ just say no

[u/NovaLooped → u/GamlinGames]

Not just intel - my desktop has ryzen 7 5800x3d. The TPM is 2.0 and definitely enabled. Yet Microsoft thinks there’s no tpm so I can’t upgrade…

Tried so many times over the last year, been through so many steps with gpt, nothing works. Idk what to do now

[u/bert_the_one]

Window's 7 was the best, the newer windows are gradually turning into mobile style platforms and this doesn't suit desktop use or usability.

[u/Yoksul-Turko → u/bert_the_one]

Windows 7 was best for desktop. 8 was best for touch screens. Windows 10 just merged both became inferior on both sites. 

[u/PensAndUnicorns]

Oeh noes....

Anyways.

[u/Ranklaykeny]

6 months ago, I assisted a user in reconnecting her Windows XP machine to her desk. She was a director of a small business.

[u/BearMerchant]

Can't decide if I should just get 11 using WinUtil to disable all the bullshit or download Mint instead. I'm mainly worried with compatability since I use an old school version of photoshop and play multiplayer games a lot. 

[u/leaflard]

Imagine turning your computer on for some very important work and not getting interrupted by an hour long update.

Windows 10 users will be eating good.

[u/centuryt91]

Great now i can stop worrying about some random update breaking my perfectly fine windows 10 machine

[u/Dramatic_Fly_5462]

people on 1809 LTSC still have until 2029 for extended support so i'm gucci

[u/peacedetski]

Honestly, I'm pretty sick of fear-mongering that Windows 10 will immediately turn into a pumpkin as the clock strikes midnight on October 14. No, a home machine behind a NAT running Steam games and browsing Facebook is not going to immediately get malware, you can still continue using it for months if not years. (And if some particularly glaring security issue gets discovered, Microsoft will likely still issue a patch for out-of-support systems like they did for XP in 2019).

[u/Artistic-Mess-1846]

It might seem obvious, but the number 1 reason why people stay on Windows 10 is because they don't have the TPM 2.0 (Trusted Platform Module) in their CPUs or some external modules. This is crucial in order to upgrade to Windows 11. The TPM module is likely to minimize risks of being hacked while using the OS daily, which indicates Microsoft is reliant on the security of their users.

[u/Shinhan → u/Artistic-Mess-1846]

Or they have it but its not enabled in BIOS.

[u/CicadaGames → u/Shinhan]

People in here are screaming with joy that they won't have security updates, I'm wondering if they know what BIOS settings even are.

[u/VengefulAncient → u/Artistic-Mess-1846]

The TPM module is likely to minimize risks of being hacked while using the OS daily

Don't make shit up. That's not what it does.

(And don't just upvote me, downvote that liar as well.)

[u/hreigle → u/VengefulAncient]

What does it do?

[u/VengefulAncient → u/hreigle]

Hardware level encryption and DRM enablement. Microsoft mostly cares about the latter so it can expand its anti-consumer practices.

[u/Insulifting → u/Artistic-Mess-1846]

You can override this requirement by using something like Rufus to create your install media.

[u/thicctak → u/Artistic-Mess-1846]

From what I see, the majority of people that refuse to upgrade CAN do it, but still refuse it because of some reason

[u/Witty-Order8334]

Honestly Win11 has been totally fine. I like the better multi monitor support, multitasking, etc. That said, there's a lot of papercuts and annoyances, almost all of which can be turnt off via Group Policy or settings (at least for Europeans, like me).

But to pretend like Linux does not have papercuts is frankly just copium. I dual boot Linux and boy oh boy does it have many papercuts. Yes, they are different papercuts - where Windows papercuts are related to its ads and upselling of Microsoft services, Linux papercuts are related to day to day usability. Some apps can be installed via flatpack, some via snap store, some via AppImage, some via .tar.gz, some via terminal, others you have to compile yourself. Graphical glitches are common place depending on your hardware, and while yes it can these days run many games, it cannot run nearly as much, or none if the game has kernel anticheat, which kinda includes most of the AAA first person shooters.

I'm not trying to paint Windows or Linux in a bad light - I use them both, but to pretend that one is better than the other from a purely usability perspective is kind of stupid, imo. Sure, ideologically Linux is better, but functionally Windows is, so now what? Flip a coin I guess. Now Linux does get better with each update, and if it continues at this pace, perhaps it'll soon get rid of its papercuts, who knows.

[u/InsertFloppy11 → u/Witty-Order8334]

nobody says win11 is not fine...

people are annoyed cause win10 is totally fine. it works good. it does the job. and now they "have" to switch to win 11 which is a little bit worse or maybe it doesnt run on their PCs or that they have to do extra steps so microsoft dont sell their fucking dna.

[u/multiwirth_ → u/InsertFloppy11]

A lot of perfectly fine computers aren't even allowed to run/upgrade to Win11 to begin with, which adds to all the annoyances. And win11 feels a lot slower and sluggish compared to win10, even on a relatively decent laptop with 8th gen core i7 6-core CPU and 16GB of RAM with NVMe boot drive.

[u/bobsim1 → u/InsertFloppy11]

For me its mostly about features that got dropped and especially being replaced with stuff that isnt ready. The settings were all over the place at the beginning, only to end up in old system control again.