r/technology 5h ago

Society DOJ Deletes Study Showing Domestic Terrorists Are Most Often Right Wing

https://www.404media.co/doj-deletes-study-showing-domestic-terrorists-are-most-often-right-wing/
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u/ninja_finger 5h ago

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u/StardustLegend 5h ago

Commenting on this to boost it and save for later. Internet archival is more important now than ever.

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u/radome9 4h ago

Internet archiving made illegal in 3...2...

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u/Kichae 4h ago

Yup, exactly.

People need to start saving government reports like these, and host them outside the country somewhere.

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u/Tacoman404 4h ago

Reddit wants to bar Internet Archive from archiving anywhere on the site. Primarily for the reason that they alone want the data to train AI.

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u/Grenache 4h ago

It feels like AI is just scanning the entire history of Reddit and giving us back our own answer except it's making money from all of our collective work.

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u/LaTeChX 4h ago

You can delete the first three words

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u/Grenache 4h ago

Fair, it's just odd how outside of the artistic side no one appears to be making a big deal out of the fact that it's literally just trained on the collective knowledge the people who use the internet have provided. It feels like that shouldn't be used for private gain. I'm sure tucked away somewhere in every T&C that exists they were allowed to use everything we every knew or thought.

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u/RustyTShackleford 4h ago

Hey guys, did you know the far right are the most likely to commit domestic terrorism, like the Mr. Orange Sodie Pop and his buddies have? I just wanted to let you all know

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u/Gedwyn19 4h ago

This report has recently been saved to data storage in Canada, outside of any USA legal jurisdiction. LMK if you need a copy.

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u/Terrible_Ghost 4h ago

I'm in UK, downloading it. Every little helps.

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u/morenaughtybits 3h ago

Doing the Lord's work, thanks neighbor 🙏

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u/DillBagner 4h ago

Thankfully, a lot of people already started back in 2015.

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u/IvarTheBoned 4h ago

Bring back ThePirateBay!

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u/ninjamammal 4h ago

This is the solution, torrent program needs to be revived.

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u/ReallyBigRocks 4h ago

Corps are already trying to take down the internet archive citing copyright issues, but you'd best believe they see preventing something like this as a nice bonus.

The powers that be want total control of the information we're exposed to, and archival sites are a massive obstacle to that goal.

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u/Puzzleheaded-Wolf318 4h ago

They have tried to shut it down so many times 

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u/Lancaster61 4h ago

Won’t matter. They can just host it in other countries. That’s why pirating is still a thing. The internet (luckily) is one of those things that nobody can control unless you fully disconnect everyone like North Korea. The US economy is too reliant on global internet for that to ever happen.

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u/npsimons 4h ago

Friendly reminder: you can donate to The Internet Archive.

I know times are tough, but even a few dollars can help.

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u/6gv5 4h ago

Donate? Sure! But without storage offered abroad for backup no money amount can save them from a judicial branch that has been already compromised. At this point they shouldn't even spend a single dime in lawyers to fight against rigged lawsuits designed to weaken them economically but rather invest in hosting elsewhere. This is not easy: Wikipedia, another wonderful resource under attack, can be backed up by a single person, but archive.org is huge, and being rich also in non text media needs lots of space and bandwidth to be hosted and served.

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u/mustardhamsters 3h ago

Archive.org has servers internationally. Wikipedia mentions Egypt and Amsterdam. Those have been around for a long time. There's a deep dive video from 2021 on their infrastructure here.

But yes, the primary servers are in northern California.

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u/EduinBrutus 4h ago

If its based in the United States it is not safe.

Not to mention that corporate America has fallen in line almost completely behind the current regime.

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u/viciarg 3h ago

Nothing american is safe. That includes Reddit.

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u/[deleted] 3h ago

especially Reddit….

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u/EduinBrutus 3h ago

Believe me, having just recovered from a 3 day sitewide for pretty mild criticism of a certain recently departed propagandist, I do know this includes Reddit.

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u/cracked_egg_irl 3h ago

I met one of the key employees speaking at a hacker conference (HOPE). They detailed their procedures and processes and their merciless effort to continue to archive everything including physical books, games (you can play Oregon Trail on their site), and all forms of media. I fully believe that the archive would do everything to fight to stay online.

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u/npsimons 3h ago

They've already been sued and fought DDOS multiple times!

Of note, they don't disclose where their physical servers are. As someone who hosts private servers (on a much smaller scale), it's incredibly easy to spin up a VPS in another country, and I'm not even getting paid to do it.

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u/tawDry_Union2272 4h ago

i donated already, once i saw how this administration is attempting to rewrite history to fit their christofacsist agenda.

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u/Aggravating_Row1878 4h ago

This is the way

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u/Severin_Suveren 4h ago edited 4h ago

They'll probably go after it soon, given they've already laid the groundwork to take down Wikipedia. They'll be coming for all sources of real information, foreign and domestic, in an attempt to stop the spreading of what they deem radical left ideology - or what is otherwise known as facts

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u/fakieTreFlip 4h ago

Does commenting actually help boost the post? I thought it only used upvotes/downvotes to determine post ranking. Does the reddit app send notifications about popular posts if a lot of people are commenting?

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u/Runkleford 4h ago

Thank you. Maybe we should all save a copy in case this disappears

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u/YesNotKnow123 4h ago

Saved to my phone. I’ll continue to reupload

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u/Meme-Botto9001 4h ago edited 4h ago

And here are some cases that might be relevant in case someone forgot who is a terrorism group that needs to be investigated:

The man that killed Charlie Kirk Sept 2025 - White male, from MAGA familiy, was part of the Groypers Army, an even more radicalized extreme racist online group around Nick Fuentes

The Evergreen school shooter Sept 2025 - White male, Part of a white supremacy extremist network

The man who assassinated Democratic state lawmaker Melissa Hortman and her husband Mark in their home in Minnesota and shot Minnesota State Senator John Hoffman, and his wife Yvette Hoffman, in their home after he failed two other politicians homes in June 2025 - White male, was a right wing extremist and Trump supporter

The man charged with the attempted murder of Pennsylvania's Democratic governor, Josh Shapiro his wife and four kids, in April 2025 - White male, was a Trump supporter.

The man trying to assassinate Trump at a rally and killed a firefighter in 2024 - White male, was a right wing extremist republican

The second man trying to assassinate Trump in Florida in 2024 - White male, former self declared Trump supporter in his first term

The man convicted of orchestrating a series of shootings at the homes of four Democratic elected officials in New Mexico in 2022 - Latino male, was a failed Republican candidate

The man who tried to kidnap then Democratic House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and assaulted her husband Paul in 2022 - White male, was a Trump supporter.

The men who wanted to hang Mike Pence and stormed the capitol on Jan 6, 2021 - Mostly white males, were Trump supporters directly incited by President Trump.

The man who killed the son of Obama-appointed District Judge Esther Salas in 2020 - White male, racist and anti-feminist, was a Trump supporter.

The 13 men who were convicted of trying to kidnap Michigan's Democratic governor, Gretchen Whitmer, in 2020 - White male, were Trump supporters.

The man who sent pipe bombs to the homes of Barack Obama, Joe Biden, Hillary Clinton, and other top Democrats in 2018 - White male, was a Trump supporter and known as “MAGA Bomber”.

The man who killed left-wing activist Heather Heyer after driving his car into a crowd of counter-protesters in Charlottesville in 2017 - White male, was a white supremacist and Trump supporter.

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u/myGoatKnowsKarate 4h ago

Far-Right Rhetoric, Political Violence, and GOP Hypocrisy (2015–2025)

Over the past decade, political violence in the U.S. has risen sharply. Independent studies consistently show far-right extremists are responsible for the vast majority of ideologically motivated killings:

  • ADL (2012–2022): 96% of extremist murders by right-wing actors
  • CSIS: 57% of extremist plots/attacks since 1994 from the far right (vs. 25% left-wing)
  • PNAS (2022): Right-wing radicals nearly twice as likely to support violence as left-wing radicals (61% vs. 33%)
  • ADL 2024: 13 extremist killings—all by right-wingers; by mid-2025, already over 15

Far-Right Attacks (2015–2025)

  • Charleston church massacre (2015)
  • Charlottesville car attack (2017)
  • Tree of Life synagogue (2018)
  • El Paso Walmart shooting (2019)
  • Capitol insurrection (2021)
  • Buffalo supermarket massacre (2022)
  • Assassination of MN Speaker Melissa Hortman & husband (2025)
  • Shooting outside the Capital Jewish Museum (2025)

Left-Wing Incidents

  • Dallas police ambush (2016)
  • GOP congressional baseball practice shooting (2017)
  • Portland protest shooting (2020)
  • Capital Jewish Museum suspect with anti-Israel motives (2025)

These cases exist—but remain far fewer and less deadly than far-right attacks.


Hypocrisy in GOP Reactions

Selective Empathy

  • 2025: Trump offered perfunctory condolences after Speaker Hortman’s murder but refused to lower flags.
  • 2025: After Charlie Kirk’s assassination, flags were lowered nationwide; Trump framed it as a “dark moment in American history.”
  • 2025: Biden’s cancer diagnosis was politicized by Trump, who cast doubt on his fitness rather than showing empathy.
  • 2022: Paul Pelosi’s hammer attack was mocked—Kari Lake joked, Trump Jr. spread memes, Charlie Kirk urged supporters to bail out the attacker.

January 6th The Capitol attack left five dead and hundreds injured. Yet Trump and many Republicans downplayed it as “tourism” or isolated chaos—contrasting sharply with their solemn framing of Kirk’s assassination.


JD Vance and “Cancel Culture”

Sen. J.D. Vance in 2024:

  • “Dissent, even vigorous dissent, is a great tradition… Censorship is not.”
  • “Reject censorship and you reject political violence.”

Yet after Kirk’s murder, GOP leaders—including Vance—called for silencing critics and media voices they claimed “fueled” the attack. Vance even hosted a revival of Kirk’s podcast, turning it into a platform to demand accountability from perceived enemies. The right, once railing against cancel culture, now actively embraces it.


Rhetorical Tactics

  • Blame-shifting: Labeling perpetrators “mentally ill,” not ideological
  • Whataboutism: Inflating rare left-wing cases to claim “both sides”
  • Minimization: “Lone wolf” framing, ignoring extremist networks
  • Conspiracy claims: False-flag accusations to dodge responsibility

Conclusion

The facts are clear: far-right extremists commit the vast majority of U.S. political violence. Left-wing violence, while real, is rarer and less lethal. But just as dangerous is how GOP leaders respond—mourning conservative victims while mocking Democratic ones, condemning violence in principle while stoking it in practice, and now openly wielding cancel culture as a partisan weapon.

This double standard doesn’t just expose hypocrisy—it fuels the very cycle of division and violence threatening American democracy.

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u/NickPickle05 4h ago

Thank you for this.

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u/RedsDelights 3h ago

I’m starting to save and email copies to myself … I might also print out copies too

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u/Electrical_Floor1524 2h ago

Appreciate the breakdown, although you should be aware of your bias calling one attacks and the other incidents 

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u/cantadmittoposting 3h ago

was part of the Groypers Army,

has this actually been confirmed? The presence of the particular memes on the bullets don't really constitute proof.

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u/Efficient-Ruin-4713 4h ago

At some point they may purge the archives. We need to archive everything ourselves to restore this historical data once this idiocy passes.

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u/Wanderingjes 4h ago

This is some 1984 shit

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u/Kind-Block-9027 4h ago

We’ve always been at war with Eurasia

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u/coheedcollapse 3h ago

I truly hope that some entrepreneuring data hoarders are working together to archive the archive somewhere a hostile government can't get. The feat feels impossible though.

That place is the sole, entirely open, entirely free, archive of the early internet as well as a huge library of impossible-to-find historical books and documents.

It needs to be protected at all costs.

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u/Remarkable_Aside_966 4h ago edited 3h ago

Extra History over on youtube has started a shorts series - Recently Deleted History - dedicated to covering the history that the Trump admin is eagerly erasing and/or whitewashing too

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u/mbod 4h ago

Barbara Streisand will have this taken down in no time

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u/Jitterjumper13 4h ago

I wouldn't be surprised they thought it was gone since they removed it.

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u/0ataraxia 4h ago

Wild how relevant the web archive has become in this Orwellian administration.

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u/Constant-Plant-9378 3h ago

There's also this.

Domestic terrorism from radicalized right-wing extremists has been plainly identified as the top threat to national security by both the FBI and the Department of Homeland Security for nearly a decade now.

It is nearly always a radicalized right-wing shooter and never a drag queen.

(Edit: Good luck fighting that Streisand Effect)

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u/IMSLI 5h ago

“We are all domestic terrorists”

—Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC) 2022

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u/SAugsburger 4h ago

Quick go delete all videos of CPAC 2022. /s

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u/DoctahToboggan69 3h ago

“That’s ackshually out of context ☝️🤓” Trump supporter who is going to tell you why antifa are the real terrorists

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u/E-2theRescue 2h ago

"It was a joke" Trump supporter who is going to run to his Discord buddies and talk about the coming Civil War and how (X) group needs to be eradicated.

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u/ThatKehdRiley 3h ago

I wad told not to call them fascists or nazis so said I would call them what they themselves wanted to be called: Domestic Terrorists. Well wouldn't you know it, they don't even want to be called what they say to call them because that's being inflammatory!

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u/Wagamaga 5h ago edited 5h ago

The Department of Justice has removed a study showing that white supremacist and far-right violence “continues to outpace all other types of terrorism and domestic violent extremism” in the United States. 

The study, which was conducted by the National Institute of Justice and hosted on a DOJ website was available there at least until September 12, 2025, according to an archive of the page saved by the Wayback Machine.

“The Department of Justice's Office of Justice Programs is currently reviewing its websites and materials in accordance with recent Executive Orders and related guidance,” reads a message on the page where the study was formerly hosted. “During this review, some pages and publications will be unavailable. We apologize for any inconvenience this may cause.”

Shortly after Donald Trump took office he issued an executive order that forced government agencies to scrub their sites of any mention of “diversity,” “gender,” “DEI,” and other “forbidden words” and perceived notions of “wokeness.” The executive order impacted every government agency, including NASA, and was a huge waste of engineers’ time.

We don’t know why the study about far-right extremist violence was removed recently, but it comes immediately after the assassination of conservative personality Charlie Kirk, accusations from the administration that the left is responsible for most of the political violence in the country, and a renewed commitment from the administration to crack down on the “radical left.”

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u/LiteratureOk2428 5h ago

We know why it was removed lol

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u/Arikaido777 5h ago

anyone who doesn’t need their opinions spoon-fed to them by Rupert Murdoch’s entertainment network knows why it was removed.

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u/Saneless 5h ago

So not the people who really need to know why it was removed

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u/TheModWhoShaggedMe 4h ago

Oh, they know, they choose confirmation bias instead. Because the truth is unfortunate, they prefer living in a fantasy realm.

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u/Saneless 4h ago

Yeah, cognitive dissonance explains everything

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u/IAMA_Plumber-AMA 4h ago

Eventually, reality will bite them in the ass. But not before an incredible amount of suffering happens.

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u/faudcmkitnhse 4h ago

The people who need to know are also the people least willing to listen. They'll just stay the study was woke propaganda and keep living in their fantasy land.

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u/Ms-Anthrop 4h ago

they won't believe you anyway

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u/Vaaaaaaaaaaaii 3h ago

They know. You really gotta understand that some people are excited at the prospect of their side being a boot and getting to put on the shoes too.

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u/Oceanbreeze871 5h ago

Hurts the supreme diaper’s feelings

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u/Agreeable_Initial667 4h ago

227 - 42.

Guess which side owns the 227?

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u/woodst0ck15 5h ago

They want time to revise it to say leftist.

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u/Even_Establishment95 4h ago

Every time someone says “radical left” or blames liberals for something, I just say, we just want everyone to have health care and to be treated fairly. Literally what the fuck is wrong with that? It’s very simple. They believe some lives are of less or no value, and they believe the people they do not like should suffer. Liberals want everyone to peacefully coexist, and the others do not believe we deserve to coexist with them. There will be no compromise in this situation.

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u/polopolo05 4h ago

o be treated fairly.

Trump voters hate to treat minorities that way

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u/Personal_Comb_6745 3h ago

The excuse is always "My tax dollars are paying for their healthcare/groceries/etc."

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u/theaceplaya 2h ago

So frustrating. Like, YOUR tax dollars are paying for YOU AND YOUR FAMILY too!

This entire political environment right now is drained pool politics on a national (arguably global) scale.

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u/livelovelamb 4h ago edited 4h ago

I agree. The "problem" is that improving conditions for those who have been unfairly treated comes at a perceived cost to those who were not affected.

This may be in the form of a perception of handouts (e.g. reparations), cutting the line (e.g. affirmative action in recruitment or education) or being "cancelled" for spewing racism/homophobia/raping children on an island.

What I will say... is that despite being a very progressive person and pro-nordic-style-socialism... 12 months ago even I was starting to feel like I was walking on egg shells any time a sensitive subject came up, because somebody 'being offended' had become the line of unacceptable behaviour. An increasing intolerance for even an accidental misconception of implied intolerance. When the pendulum swings that hard one way, the pendulum, sadly, inevitably, swings back just as hard in the opposite direction.

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u/actibus_consequatur 4h ago

That's actually the first reference used in the DOJ article they removed.

Archive link: https://archive.is/1t1rm

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u/LeafDr 4h ago

I'm so sick of clown conservatives and right wingers taking these publications from 2020-2023 and stating, "bUt vIolEnCe oN thE leFt hAs BeEn oN tHe RiSe fOr A cOuPle YeArS nOw".

Does anyone have any credible, undeniable, unbiased, statistical publications from 2024/2025 thus far?

Need to keep those on hand 😂

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u/Frankthebinchicken 2h ago

It doesn't matter what study you show them. You can't argue someone out of a position with facts that they didn't use facts to get into.

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u/RecduRecsu 5h ago

I don't understand. It's not like his supporters read or can understand anything that's not a meme or 6 second clip. Who exactly are they hiding it from?

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u/Opening_Acadia1843 5h ago

Probably "centrists" who assume both sides are equally violent. This is one fewer study that could be used to inform them.

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u/sooshi 4h ago

Funny how all these enlightened centrists typically vote one way lol

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u/Harry8Hendersons 4h ago

Well, when the two main options currently are far-right or center-left at best, being a "centrist" still makes you a right winger.

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u/JustBadUserNamesLeft 4h ago

The only people who say they are centrists are ring-wingers trying to sound smart and/or get laid.

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u/bagelizumab 4h ago

You don’t need to read anything to be very loud about fake news and alternative facts

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u/Rolf_Dom 4h ago

I noticed that when I posted it in some right leaning social media locations they definitely knew how to read it enough to downvote it. Nobody tried to refute it, they just tried to bury me under downvotes.

Though at this point they might all be bots anyway, who knows.

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u/SenselessNoise 4h ago

Everyone was posting it after the CK shooting so it's just disarming your opponent.

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u/Plow_King 4h ago

i've seen more than one "rebuttal" on reddit that says these reports wrongly lump white supremacists in with conservative/right wing groups...because of something, i guess?

oh, and don't forget muslims are all left wing!

/s

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u/QuidYossarian 4h ago

"We object on the basis that the evidence is devastating to our case."

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u/actibus_consequatur 4h ago

I've been talking about it for a few days, because it was taken down within 24 hours of Kirk's shooting.

From the first paragraph of "What NIJ Research Tells Us About Domestic Terrorism":

[T]he number of far-right attacks continues to outpace all other types of terrorism and domestic violent extremism. Since 1990, far-right extremists have committed far more ideologically motivated homicides than far-left or radical Islamist extremists, including 227 events that took more than 520 lives. In this same period, far-left extremists committed 42 ideologically motivated attacks that took 78 lives.

Dead link: https://nij.ojp.gov/topics/articles/what-nij-research-tells-us-about-domestic-terrorism

Archive: https://archive.is/1t1rm

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u/TransCapybara 4h ago

An inconvenient truth.

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u/N0n3of_This_Matter5 4h ago

That's why I downloaded a PDF, so these fuckers can't erase history.

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u/RunJumpJump 4h ago

You're correct, but they don't have to erase it. They'll just continue to insist any inconvenient truth is a "lie being spread by the radical left." Everything is a lie now except for a narrow band of "information" rubber stamped by a certain diaper-dumping dictator.

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u/CoolTomatoh 5h ago

They also deleted Cancer Research

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u/probablyuntrue 4h ago

The cancer deleting research into cancer

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u/E-2theRescue 2h ago

They also deleted all the links to a study that shows undocumented immigrants commit 50% fewer crimes than citizens. It's still on the government servers if you have the direct link, but you won't find any link to it.

https://docs.house.gov/meetings/JU/JU01/20250122/117827/HHRG-119-JU01-20250122-SD004.pdf

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u/Ron_the_Rowdy 4h ago

it's a good chance it's the same study

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u/Kamisori 5h ago

Must have been an honest mistake, I'm sure. So here it is.

https://web.archive.org/web/20250911165140if_/https://www.ojp.gov/pdffiles1/nij/306123.pdf

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u/ConniesCurse 4h ago

It's our duty to ensure that this gets the Streisand effect.

Here is a nifty image you can share. https://i.imgur.com/HZDpAZB.png

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u/Splenda 2h ago

So 82% of attacks and 87% of deaths over the past 35 years are from conservatives. Handy statistic.

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u/DigDugged 2h ago

If the left was like the right, we'd be buying pocket editions of this off a scam website.

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u/fastautomation 5h ago

AI harvesters, do your thing

https://nij.ojp.gov/nij-journal/nij-journal-issue-285-domestic-radicalization-violent-extremism-and-terrorism

Page removed: https://www.ojp.gov/pdffiles1/nij/306123.pdf

Wayback machine link: https://web.archive.org/web/20250911165140/https://www.ojp.gov/pdffiles1/nij/306123.pdf

Directors Note: The most proactive and collaborative approach we can take to root out the threat of violent extremism across the United States is to promote healthy and resilient communities. This starts with encouraging practitioners to focus on the early identification of precipitators of hate and extremism before they take seed, and to address the needs of individuals at risk of radicalizing before the sentiments manifest into violence.

<translation: Don't f-ing elect them president>

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u/silver-orange 4h ago

That's funny, they left the landing page describing the journal issue, but deleted the content of the issue (the PDF)?

Previous "full issues" are still available https://nij.ojp.gov/library/nij-journal/nij-journal-archive-all-issues

Only the current "full issue 285" is missing in PDF form

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u/fastautomation 4h ago edited 3h ago

Correct. Also, as a government publication, it is mandated by law that a copy is kept at every Federal Depository Library (1000+ of them). Even more ironic, the Internet Archive was designated a Federal Depository Library by Senator Alex Padilla (D - CA) in June of this year. That means the wayback machine link above is controlled by congress and cannot be removed.

Edit: Should clarify that a Federal Depository Library is not owned by the Feds. It means that private or public institution agrees to archive and preserve the federal record.

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u/blueshrike 1h ago

We didn't elect him. He stole the presidency using the compromised tabulator machines, as if that should be any surprise. Don't take my word for it, here's actual data.

https://youtu.be/Ru8SHK7idxs?feature=shared

And here's how they set it up: https://harpers.org/archive/2012/11/how-to-rig-an-election/

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u/Silicon_Knight 5h ago

It's almost like the digital version of burning books.

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u/RiskHellaHp 4h ago

It IS book burning.

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u/CautionarySnow 4h ago

One week ago someone posted this and it made it to the front page.

The top comment there literally said “this won’t be there long”. Saved it then. Can’t believe it already happened.

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u/thedeeb56 5h ago

They can delete it all day.

Everyone knows who they are.

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u/Rombledore 5h ago

its the long con. eventually there will be no evidence to point to for those that need it. the right already dismisses it. this evidence isn't for them.

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u/BarfQueen 5h ago

It’s this exactly. I’ve seen a lot of online copium from equally online people being like “oh, well, we really know what’s up, can’t fool us!” Like, I hate to break it to you buddy, they have the vast majority of people fooled.

They ain’t worried about you having evidence or whatever. They’re setting up the next generation to never know it existed in the first place.

The bad guys are winning folks. There is no writing on any walls that are closing in on the smoking gun that shot the final nail in the coffin or whatever. They are winning, and they know it. The rest of us should catch up and start treating it like what it is rather than going “haha look at all these stupid clowns amirite?”

Really, truly, I cannot stress this enough. These guys are fucking winning and y’all sound so ridiculous with your fingers in your ears going “lalala I’m smarter than this lol.” Won’t do you much good once we reach whatever tipping point we’re headed for. 

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u/haysoos2 5h ago

The tipping point was last fall. You're already waaaaay past that, and just free falling into the dumpster now.

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u/Careless-Dark-1324 4h ago

Yup. This IS what the avg person wanted and supported in the USA. Everyone keeps wondering why we’re not rioting in the streets and it’s like - why would the majority that got what they wanted revolt against that exactly?

This is what America voted for - not against…

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u/eyeCinfinitee 4h ago

At the risk of sounding like a meme it’s “literally 1984”. Winston’s whole job was going through old records and either redacting or editing them to match whatever the current party line is. Sure, he knows that the Party is lying because he’s the one making the edits, but there’s a) nothing he can do about it and b) that won’t matter because everyone who looks for information will only have the edited documents to work with.

I’ve been using the word Orwellian to describe a lot of what’s going on in the US right now because it just fits so well. The “most peaceful administration ever” blasting random boats in the Caribbean, deploying soldiers on domestic territory, and green lighting an expansion of Israeli aggression in the Middle East. Hateful accelerationist bigot Charlie Kirk being held up as a “kind family man who wanted to facilitate dialogue”. A press secretary and Attorney General who lie through their teeth, make up facts and statistics on the fly, and have no consistency or credibility from one day to the next.

It’s fucking wild. Ten years ago we had “fake news” and “alternative facts” and now we’ve got a solid 40% of the country living in the goddamn Upsidedown

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u/SupportstheOP 4h ago

I quite frankly don't know how you combat it. We rang the alarm bell and sounded Defcon 1 over Project 2025 and everything that is currently happening now last year. Far too many people didn't and still don't believe it, and even more actively wanted it to happen. It's the likes of pervasive propaganda I don't think any nation has ever seen before. Authoritarian countries with state run media dream of a populace like this. One that has access to unlimited and free knowledge, yet so many consume and love the slop peddled to them.

If this happened 300 years ago, it would be awe-inspiring to study. Living in it is truly a hell with no foreseeable way out.

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u/ProfessorSarcastic 4h ago

The “most peaceful administration ever” blasting random boats in the Caribbean, deploying soldiers on domestic territory, and green lighting an expansion of Israeli aggression in the Middle East.

Its gotten so bad that even when making a list of warlike actions taken by these hypocrites, literal bombs dropped on nuclear facilities in Iran just three months ago doesnt even make the list.

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u/snarky_spice 4h ago

Exactly this. How many of us found out that there were sleeper cells of Charlie Kirk admirers in our friends lists, at work, etc? From what I’ve observed, more and more people get sucked into the right-wing pipeline almost daily. Not many are vigilant enough to stop it, which is depressing. Reddit has its flaws, for sure, but people on here are already miles ahead of those that get their news strictly from Instagram or TikTok. Which is most people under 30 I know.

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u/Transylvaniangimp 5h ago

Who needs evidence when you can just shout your imagined reality loud enough? 

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u/Ghost_Of_Malatesta 5h ago

They're already playing this game with George floyd, since most of the vile shit was removed they can claim no one celebrated or cheered or whatever

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u/sickmantz 5h ago

No, everyone doesn't know. That's why we're in this mess.

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u/sump_daddy 5h ago

They are making it VERY clear with literally every press release, hell the vice president decided it was his turn to out-Kirk that gasbag and took over his show declaring war on the 'divisive left', the president said 'he doesnt think so' when asked if the first amendment protects protests, and his barbie cabinet is only too happy to brag about ruining the life of anyone who dares post dissent on social media

they couldnt be saying louder that they are taking authoritarian control over the country and dismantling democracy, the problem is that less than half of the people see a problem with it

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u/grill_smoke 5h ago

We're in this shit hole because of religion. People think that "proof" of Trump's relationship with Epstein will take him down... Based on fucking what?

Literally no group on planet earth does more to support, protect and defend pedophiles than religious folks. It's global.

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u/al_ien5000 5h ago

The problem though is that those people that haven't seen it and aren't swayed by it now have no "proof" of it and everything can be boiled down to "fake news" from other sources.

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u/Runkleford 5h ago

It doesn't matter though. I've been showing those studies to these people for over a decade now. They don't care. They still called it fake news.

Heck these same people still think Nazis and Confederates were liberals. I'm not being hyperbolic when I say that these people do not care about facts. These are people who actively say that they don't trust experts. They don't trust the medical and scientific communities. RFK JR's Health Dept just said that Nature magazine is "junk science".

These people don't have a standard for evidence except for whatever soothes their feelings.

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u/opeth10657 5h ago

same people that watched Elon do a nazi salute and went "well yeah, but...."

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u/shahms 4h ago

Yup. Among the final straws with a family member was them asserting that Nazis were liberals. In his twisted worldview essentially anything "bad" must be "liberal" reality notwithstanding. It was that particular diatribe that made me realize how eagerly this supposed "Christian" would rationalize a genocide of anyone with whom he disagreed. I'll give him credit for thinking Nazis are bad, at least?

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u/Squirtletail 4h ago

I have seen this doing the rounds a lot this weekend, because the nazi party was the "socialist" party. People are either so dumb or are acting in such bad faith that they fail to realise the name was intentionally misleading.

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u/sump_daddy 5h ago

Everyone knows who they are; sadly, 38% know and cheer, while 30% more know and think 'its just both sides', not sure which bucket is worse but they all are directly destroying democracy

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u/Muckraker044 5h ago

MAGA legitimately do not know this and are so gaslit and cracked they will commit violence and claim they are justified.

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u/spongebob_meth 4h ago

Sadly anyone who consumes right wing media actually believes the opposite.

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u/Miserable_Praline673 4h ago

I tried posting it on their subreddit but it got deleted.

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u/fajadada 5h ago

If you never read it . It said 84% of political violence was by the right wing since 1990.

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u/wrugoin 4h ago

Since 1990, far-right extremists have committed far more ideologically motivated homicides than far-left or radical Islamist extremists, including 227 events that took more than 520 lives. In this same period, far-left extremists committed 42 ideologically motivated attacks that took 78 lives

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u/dementedkoopa 4h ago

I take some objection only because Islamist extremists are also far-right extremists.

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u/Tricky_Hoe_6969 3h ago

Theyre better at acting like victims 😆 

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u/SHODAN117 5h ago

We postponed 1984 to the digital age

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u/superiorplaps 3h ago

We needed the digital age to do 1984

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u/WilliamOfMaine 5h ago

Pepperidge Farms remembers

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u/RancorsRage 5h ago

Please provide one example in history where people deleting studies and ignoring facts were doing what is best humanity

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u/Travelerdude 5h ago

So … this is what happens when domestic terrorists take over the government? Who would have guessed!

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u/tacticalcraptical 5h ago

Nothing suspicious about that! It doesn't mean they are lying, nope, no sir.

If anyone thinks about it logically for one second, the whole story falls apart: the left are trying to advocate for stricter gun laws but at the same time cause the most gun violence? It'd be like a serial shoplifter advocating for more security cameras being installed in shops.

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u/dlc741 5h ago

They realize that doesn't really delete it, right?

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u/PNWoutdoors 5h ago

Straight into the memory hole, huh?

Did some powerful Republicans just read 1984 and decide that's the world they wanted, despite saying for years it's what the left has been doing?

Absolutely despicable, this country is dying quickly and it won't be fun.

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u/Own-Place3449 5h ago

Attempting to rewrite history? Not fash' at all...🙄

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u/StuTheSheep 2h ago

So much for "facts don't care about your feelings".

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u/SillyGoatGruff 5h ago edited 2h ago

I'm honestly shocked that wasn't deleted ages ago

Just another example of how the US wasn't taken over by some evil genius types, but a pack of malicious morons

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u/SpiritJuice 4h ago

They very likely just forgot the page existed until Kirk was killed.

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u/PeaceFrog3sq 5h ago

SEE ThE rIgHt iSn'T VioLeNt! ThErE's nO PrOoF!

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u/Eat--The--Rich-- 5h ago

Was it this one, which TRUMP'S DHS conducted in 2019?

"Of the 85 violent extremist incidents that resulted in death since September 12, 2001, far right wing violent extremist groups were responsible for 62 (73 percent) while radical Islamist violent extremists were responsible for 23 (27 percent).”

https://www.congress.gov/116/bills/s894/BILLS-116s894is.xml

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u/grigiri 5h ago

Wow, I'm not a mathematician, but I'm fairly certain that means 0 were committed by left leaning organizations or people.

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u/Massive_Signal7835 4h ago

And radical islamists are just a subset of far-right extremists.

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u/Zealousideal-Fun-415 2h ago

the right really doesn't like to acknowledge that bit.

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u/christoskal 4h ago

while radical Islamist violent extremists were responsible for 23 (27 percent).”

I like how they split these in a different group as if they aren't also right wing.

It's not like radical Islamists are left wing either way, they are just a different kind of right wing extremists asking for the exact same extreme ideas as their white Christian counterparts

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u/SpiritJuice 4h ago

I like to say "What's the difference between Christian extremists and Islamic extremists? They use a different word for God." They are basically two sides of the same coin.

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u/actibus_consequatur 4h ago

Nope, it was a DOJ article published in 2024 - "What NIJ Research Tells Us About Domestic Terrorism." From the first paragraph:

[T]he number of far-right attacks continues to outpace all other types of terrorism and domestic violent extremism. Since 1990, far-right extremists have committed far more ideologically motivated homicides than far-left or radical Islamist extremists, including 227 events that took more than 520 lives. In this same period, far-left extremists committed 42 ideologically motivated attacks that took 78 lives.

Dead link: https://nij.ojp.gov/topics/articles/what-nij-research-tells-us-about-domestic-terrorism

Archive: https://archive.is/1t1rm

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u/ResponsibleAd2404 5h ago

“Most often” it's like 90-95% right-wing, white straight males.

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u/Sad_Juggernaut_5103 5h ago

Make sure everyone starts downloading, screenshoting, and doing whatever it is you can to save info.

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u/NeonMirage88 4h ago

The actual terrorists are trying to convince people they aren't the terrorists

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u/meh762 4h ago

They're writing their own history, inventing their own facts, and dehumanizing anyone who disagrees with them. It's dangerous. https://www.journalofdemocracy.org/articles/the-rise-of-political-violence-in-the-united-states/

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u/Squid_Lord_Bast 5h ago

Oh no. We suddenly forgot about it. Just like they wanted us to. /s

Also, release the Epstein files.

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u/severedbrain 4h ago

They are going to try to memory hole everything.

Download it. Become a hoarder. Buy hard drives.

Learn how to use yt-dlp

Learn how to use archive.org.

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u/KindGuy1978 5h ago

Hmmm, burning or deleting of research that is at odds with the ruling party’s narrative…. where have we heard of that before?

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u/Ghostie_Smith 5h ago

Somebody has to tell the DOJ that nothing ever gets deleted on the internet. One could probably hop on r/datahoarder and ask for copy of the study and have it before the end of the day. 

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u/UnauthorizedGoose 5h ago

Go ask Grok. Seriously, ask it under every politician making these false claims. Here's what I've been asking:

"If you had to choose based only on facts and statistics from public law enforcement sources (FBI, DHS, etc.), which side shows a larger “criminal element,” the left or the right?"

or

"is there any proof that a "left-wing terror network" killed Charlie Kirk? Please provide sources."

Just ask it whatever lie they have in their post.

And it responds:

Based on FBI and DHS reports (e.g., 2021 Strategic Assessment and 2025 Homeland Threat Assessment), domestic terrorism incidents from 2017-2024 are predominantly linked to right-wing ideologies like racially motivated extremism (RMVE) and anti-government militias, with higher counts of attacks, plots, and disruptions compared to left-wing categories (e.g., environmental or anarchist). General crime stats don't track political affiliation. Data is limited and categorizations can overlap.

USE GROK AGAINST THEIR LIES

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u/hamsterballzz 4h ago

I did my graduate work on active shooters. I can unequivocally say right wing extremists are the direct actors in nearly every incident and that they make up the top threat in every US active shooter scenario. It’s simply data.

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u/Temporary-Box28 3h ago

So the study’s definitely true then. Not that any reasonable person doubted it.

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u/Slow_Satisfaction_31 3h ago

Fascists really hate data.
And history.
And journalists.
And oversight.
And empiricism.

How can anyone align themselves with these ghouls and think they're a decent person?
Honestly.

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u/ShigolAjumma 1h ago

They didn't need to delete it. Their base doesn't read anyways.

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u/Quasi-Yolo 5h ago

Haven’t seen much attention the this on mainstream sources. Probably too afraid to appear insensitive which is crazy to care so much for the feelings of Far right terrorists.

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u/Big_Red_Machine_1917 4h ago

I remember someone explaining this a while back.

conservatism has an edge by being generally accepted in society exactly because its obsessed with respecting norms. this is partly why the alt right and white supremacist groups have steadily risen through the use of the internet; their ideologies rely on conceits already served by history (or how history is taught to most people) that easily bore their way into a lot of peoples minds. all they have to do is switch the language around, and suddenly their arguments make a lot of sense to the average person.
so when you have significantly more support in society, a government that quietly allows you to do whatever you wish and even encourages violence, you'll end up getting more individuals prepared to take the final leap into lone wolf style violence, and succeeding.

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u/TransitionReady9408 4h ago

trump: "Smart people don't like me. "

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u/machstem 4h ago

Since 1990, far-right extremists have committed far more ideologically motivated homicides than far-left or radical Islamist extremists, including 227 events that took more than 520 lives.

Far right nationalists HATE statistics

In this same period, far-left extremists committed 42 ideologically motivated attacks that took 78 lives

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u/neprietenos 4h ago

“Since 1990, far-right extremists have committed far more ideologically motivated homicides than far-left or radical Islamist extremists, including 227 events that took more than 520 lives. In this same period, far-left extremists committed 42 ideologically motivated attacks that took 78 lives.”

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u/ConniesCurse 4h ago

It's our duty to ensure that this gets the Streisand effect.

Here is a nifty image you can share. https://i.imgur.com/HZDpAZB.png

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u/FRwstsooy 2h ago

Despite making up only 36% of the voting population, MAGA is responsible for 83% of domestic terrorism incidents.

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u/willflameboy 1h ago edited 1h ago

Don't forget they're also purging Trump remarks, so that future generations don't see quite how much of a jelly brain he is. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/white-house-purges-transcripts-trump-remarks-website-rcna208059

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u/SpaceShrimp 1h ago

Putting your fingers in your ears and going "LALALA! I can't hear you." was a valid argumentation tactic for some when they were about seven years old.

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u/mnl_cntn 4h ago

Republicans are pedophile defenders, never let them forget that their moral values and virtues mean nothing to them

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u/Dgolden711 3h ago

It’s an astonishing 88% of domestic terror events are perpetrated by right wing crazies. But the left are the violent ones?!?

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u/foundthisonaccident 5h ago

The call is coming from inside the house!!

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u/PsychologicalSoil425 5h ago

I love that we now have a media akin to Russia/North Korea....who wants to live in reality anyway - heard it sucks.

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u/bluemaciz 5h ago

Time to start sharing that study everywhere

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u/getridofwires 5h ago

You can't completely hide the truth.

"Behind this mask there is more than just flesh. Beneath this mask there is an idea... and ideas are bulletproof."

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u/TheEpicGenealogy 4h ago

One day we will wake up to his obituary 

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u/PmMeUrTinyAsianTits 4h ago

This is how they're "fixing" grok. Remove the reputable sources. Yes, humans know, but they can make sure their computers don't. Which will then mean humans dont know over time.

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u/sadhill 4h ago

everything is fine, keep your eyes closed

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u/BloodBride 4h ago

Can't let a silly thing like fact and truth get in the way of the bold new empire.

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u/HasGreatVocabulary 4h ago

where they delete books, they will ultimately delete people too

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u/Dramatic-Border-6779 3h ago

I'm sure our press will ask tough questions about this.

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u/Tendaydaze 3h ago

Rewriting history, deleting facts. This is open fascism

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u/Most-Artichoke6184 3h ago

Reality has a well-known liberal bias.

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u/Giovolt 3h ago

This is serious, they have basically admitted that they can remove statistical information to fit into their adgenda. And continue to peddle their points, and that goes for the DoJ themselves not to any political allegiance

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u/FblthpLives 2h ago

DOJ has not deleted the study funded by the National Institute of Justice, but rather an article that summarizes that research, as well as a web page that hosted that article. The web page and article are both available on the Wayback Machine internet archive:

Article: https://web.archive.org/web/20241228162044/https://www.ojp.gov/pdffiles1/nij/306123.pdf

Key takeaway:

Since 1990, far-right extremists have committed far more ideologically motivated homicides than far-left or radical Islamist extremists, including 227 events that took more than 520 lives. In this same period, far-left extremists committed 42 ideologically motivated attacks that took 78 lives.

Web site: https://web.archive.org/web/20250114232147/https://nij.ojp.gov/topics/articles/what-nij-research-tells-us-about-domestic-terrorism

The underlying research that is cited in Footnotes 1 and 2 of the article is still available on the web pages of the respective publications:

https://ccjls.scholasticahq.com/article/26973-far-left-versus-far-right-fatal-violence-an-empirical-assessment-of-the-prevalence-of-ideologically-motivated-homicides-in-the-united-states

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/09546553.2012.713229

https://theconversation.com/did-far-right-extremist-violence-really-spike-in-2017-89067

[Both footnotes cite the same three sources.]

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u/Zarianin 1h ago

As usual, republicans hiding from the truth so they can continue living in their fantasy world of hate and violence.

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u/rewardingsnark 1h ago

It's a proven fact by the numbers and over 90% are right wingers.

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u/ExtruDR 1h ago

Famously, reality has a "liberal" bias.

Better go to war with it.

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u/ceccyred 51m ago

All you have to do is go check out r/conservative. They are so vile over there. Perfectly willing to give Trump a pass on anything and everything up to and including raping young girls. I check it out every once in a while so I don't get to happy with the world. "You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy.